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  • Liberal Democrat
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    Now at some point as Mueller closes the walls in on the Trump team, I'm not sure if Trump could pardon all of his people (Bannon, Kushner, Flynn, Manifort and others including Pence) if they were going to be indicted for obstruction of justice or something worse. But suppose he could pardon them for "crimes they may have committed or participated in while in office" to use the language of Gerald Ford in pardoning Nixon.

    Then he would resign, turn the presidency over to Pence who would then also pardon Trump for "crimes he may have committed or participated in while in office".

    Then everyone goes back to work free of any future criminal legal actions and live happily ever after. Trump can go back to Tweeting and running his businesses.

    Now that's a scenario that is worse than any conspiracy theory so don't assume I have any insight. I don't. Just kind of thinking out loud wondering if it would be legal.

  • Independent
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    I watched an Dutch made documentary yesterday. It showed all the Russian ties to Trump and where the money trail is. This documentary makes it very clear that Trump "owes" them; lots of money is whitewashed via his real estate and LLC's and even via Dutch institutions; I can't list it here because of "copyrights". Also for instance Kussner is as bad as Trump; he owns part of an diamond mine in Angola where there is an human slave tragedy and the diamonds are called "blood diamonds" Also he is an member of an fanatic Jewish group Shabad; he provides the finances for the Jewish settlements on Palestine soil. An real sweetheart for sure.
  • Liberal Democrat
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  • Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch asked my help in posting the above videos Part 1 and 2 about Donald Trump from a Dutch perspective. I haven't watched them fully yet (they are both long) so save it for when you have some time.
  • Independent
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    I also like to add that Kussner is involved with in an 115 billion arms deal with Saudi Arabia. "conflict of interest"?; anyone awake???
  • Liberal Democrat
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    It's hard to say how all the private deal making by military contractors with Saudi Arabia are aided and abetted by United States agencies and operatives going back decades. In any case, it is not part of Robert Mueller's charge to investigate Trump collusion with Russia and the subsequent cover-up. Maybe it needs to be investigated at some point, but it won't happen under this administration....nor did it under Obama.
  • Center Left
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  • Liberal Democrat
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    I have finally had time to watch Dutch's videos at the above links. Please note that the second video is Part 1 and 2 together. The first video is just Part 1 (45 minutes). The two videos together cover 1 hr, 22 minutes.

    The documentary is a result of in-depth investigative reporting by the Dutch media Zembla. While it covers some of the stuff already covered in the USA media, it goes much deeper into Trump-Russian connections into money laundering using Dutch banks and financial institutions, areas that US media have not or cannot cover.

    The first part delves deeply into Trump's connections to Russian oligarchs and the Bayrock llc organization. You'll find some US media coverage of Bayrock, but Zembla does a more expansive job of connecting the dots around the world. It is well worth your time to watch, at least Part 1. This is not so much about what the FBI is supposedly investigating...the Russian hacking of our election, but rather Trump's money laundering and shady deals with Russian oligarchs, something that will likely be exposed in the FBI and Congressional investigations. If all of this comes out in the official investigations, Trump is in deep shit.

    The second part delves in Jared Kushner's ties to Lev Leviev, a diamond oligarch with ties to Putin and Nethanyahu. The direct connections to Trump are less evident. But Kushner looks exposed.

    Anyway, thanks Dutch for sharing.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    I should also add that after watching Part 2 on Lev Leviev, the diamond guy, I believe that Jared Kushner is the top white house senior advisor that is a "person of interest" in the FBI investigation.
  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote: I should also add that after watching Part 2 on Lev Leviev, the diamond guy, I believe that Jared Kushner is the top white house senior advisor that is a "person of interest" in the FBI investigation.
    Thanks Schmidt; I hope the "media" will copy this and show this on TV. Yes about Kussner, especially his dirty diamond dealings should be an person of interest. Also I hope the members on this site will watch this documentary.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Schmidt Wrote: I should also add that after watching Part 2 on Lev Leviev, the diamond guy, I believe that Jared Kushner is the top white house senior advisor that is a "person of interest" in the FBI investigation.

    The more I think about all of this, the more I worry that absolutely nothing is going to come of it. Mueller's appointment gives Republican's a shield to basically shut down their Congressional investigations, which are the only ones that could be held in public. So the appointment of Mueller basically allows this whole investigation to go "quiet" because it will now be conducted in secret.

    That worries me because most Americans have an attention span of a toddler and if this investigation goes quiet then it will be forgotten about in a matter of days.

  • Independent
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    However the latest revelations are, that he tried to influence the NSA and CIA as well other branches to stop the investigations or use their influence to do so. The "news" said that after this news, he absolutely must having something to hide otherwise he would not act like that. If all of this is "impeachable" that is the big question (legally). However all of this will certainly have an effect on the government, related to "trust" dealing with this guy; I hope as well that the voters get the message.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Schmidt Wrote: I should also add that after watching Part 2 on Lev Leviev, the diamond guy, I believe that Jared Kushner is the top white house senior advisor that is a "person of interest" in the FBI investigation.

    The more I think about all of this, the more I worry that absolutely nothing is going to come of it. Mueller's appointment gives Republican's a shield to basically shut down their Congressional investigations, which are the only ones that could be held in public. So the appointment of Mueller basically allows this whole investigation to go "quiet" because it will now be conducted in secret.

    That worries me because most Americans have an attention span of a toddler and if this investigation goes quiet then it will be forgotten about in a matter of days.

    Have to think of a way to connect this to daily quality of life to make it relative. As you intimate the finer points of ethics and law have little holding appeal. Jeopardize Monday night football and people would be watching and listening.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    It took 3 years to impeach Andrew Johnson, might take that long to impeach Trump.