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Trump , why and how long.

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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    A billionaire has to have some sort of assurance. I would say assuming divine confirmation is not far fetched. Trump has a life certainly looking smiled upon. His campaign dared to elect him reflected by his spending and actions. So elected president in spite of all this looks like the presidency was his destiny. How could he not think anything other than he was chosen and he is infallible. I said he wanted to feel like he could win but never really wanted to win. His support is not faltering. Got a real mess. Lesson or epitath???

    Trump had a staff of 70, Hillary 700. What money Trump did spend was not to proven campaign entities and a lot was high payments to individuals.

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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: A billionaire has to have some sort of assurance. I would say assuming divine confirmation is not far fetched. Trump has a life certainly looking smiled upon. His campaign dared to elect him reflected by his spending and actions. So elected president in spite of all this looks like the presidency was his destiny. How could he not think anything other than he was chosen and he is infallible. I said he wanted to feel like he could win but never really wanted to win. His support is not faltering. Got a real mess. Lesson or epitath???
    Chet, I think his only objective was to win, but never realized what the winning was all about . The government is full of lawyers; he hates lawyers; so an wrong choice, just to win. The "price" is not what he wanted.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    He wanted to be taken seriously but nothing about his campaign spending or actions indicated he was serious about winning. One member is actually dropping lines about a brilliant campaign. Money buys and big money buys everything.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Why spend money campaigning when the media is giving you free coverage? All you have to do is be a little outrageous and the media will cover you 24/7. That was part of his winning strategy. And it worked. That and of course telling people what they "wanted to hear" with no plans on how he could really improve their economic status. Trump is an entertainer and he knew how to capture the media spotlight...appealing to emotions.

    Yes he certainly misjudged what the job entails. He thought he could run the country like a corporation. He would be chairman-of-the board delegating the mundane day-to-day stuff to his cronies. But he absolutely wanted to win. For Trump, winning is everything. It is his life...what drives him.

    “The point is that if you are a little different, or a little outrageous, or if you do things that are bold or controversial, the press is going to write about you.” -- Donald J. Trump, The Art of the Deal

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    A billionaire has to have some sort of assurance. I would say assuming divine confirmation is not far fetched. Trump has a life certainly looking smiled upon. His campaign dared to elect him reflected by his spending and actions. So elected president in spite of all this looks like the presidency was his destiny. How could he not think anything other than he was chosen and he is infallible. I said he wanted to feel like he could win but never really wanted to win. His support is not faltering. Got a real mess. Lesson or epitath???

    Trump had a staff of 70, Hillary 700. What money Trump did spend was not to proven campaign entities and a lot was high payments to individuals.

    Oh sheesh, did you not, or have you not been watching television for the past 1 1/2 years? He didn't need to spend any money, the media gave him just about 24/7 coverage for FREE, you almost could not watch any newscast without them mentioning him in ways that no other candidate had. He is still being covered by MSM on a daily, if not hourly basis. He's gotten more coverage than any past president ever has in history, I'd almost bet my Cadillac on that statement.

    Besides that, didn't you already have a older thread going of how he didn't want to be president mentioning the fact that he didn't spend much money on the campaign?

    Now, the Trump 70 and Clinton 700. I believe Clinton had a host of liberals and moderates and a small group of progressives, how many alt right people do you believe there are out here? I think the moderates, liberals and progressives outnumber those crazy alt right folks 7:1. How many liberals, progressives and moderates do you think Trump had, or could ever have on his side promoting his views? That should be a no brainer.

    Do you like Trump because he and his administration is imploding and taking down the GOP at the same time? I don't know about you, but I'm loving his scandal after scandal ideology.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Dockadams, What don't you know about me. I am 100% BERNIE LEFT. Guaranteed single payer healthcare, jobs that sustain a good living on 40 hours a week, believe people are the most precious resource deserving free education to build a great life and in the case for every country, that jobs should be created internally and not stolen from other workers, despise everything Trump and predatory opportunist of that ilk stand for. Dissapointed that the Democratic Party lost it's way about 40 years ago and began telling people how to live instead of helping them to live. Foreign policy abandonned other people in not giving them reasons to live. The truth can't be recognized without demonizing objective facts.

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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    Dockadams, What don't you know about me. I am 100% BERNIE LEFT.

    And the Bernie left is largely why Donald wound up "winning" (even though 3 million more people voted for Hillary).

    The ideological purists who pouted that their candidate didn't win the primary and then either stayed home in November or voted for someone who had zero chance of winning are worse than any Donald supporter out there. They put their feelings over their country and look at what we have now.

    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Guaranteed single payer healthcare, jobs that sustain a good living on 40 hours a week, believe people are the most precious resource deserving free education to build a great life and in the case for every country, that jobs should be created internally and not stolen from other workers, despise everything Trump and predatory opportunist of that ilk stand for.

    That's a great wish list, but I think you forget that we are fifty different states that purposefully has a weak(ish) central government, especially when it comes to day-to-day domestic affairs.

    You're also kind of glossing over the fact that all fifty states offer free (well, taxpayer funded) education.

    The reason many jobs aren't created internally (whatever that means...) is because there is a brain drain when it comes to the highly technical jobs currently available. It's not like these "internal jobs" aren't open to everyone, but white people just don't seem to be interested in them.

    Take a look at any engineering, robotic, or highly technical degree program at any college in this country and I'll show you classes whose minority makeup is 80% or more. It's not like colleges prevent "real" (aka white) Americans from enrolling in these degree programs. Are you aware of some law that mandates engineering classes contain 80% minorities?

    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Dissapointed that the Democratic Party lost it's way about 40 years ago and began telling people how to live instead of helping them to live.

    So should we continue letting the perfect be the enemy of the good?

    I'm also not sure what you mean when you say the Democratic Party lost its way 40 years ago and began telling people how to live. Are you suggesting that Jimmy Carter, a former peanut farmer, didn't care about the common man?

    Your feelings don't align with the facts. They also don't align with the way our Federal government actually operates. The President is not a king; the Congress often changes between political parties; and state and local governments are far more powerful than you seem to understand.

    As Tip O'Neill famously said - "all politics is local."

    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Foreign policy abandonned other people in not giving them reasons to live. The truth can't be recognized without demonizing objective facts.

    We live in a nuclear world where a sound foreign policy is imperative to the survival of not just our country, but the world. Russia has 7,300 nuclear warheads, America has 6,970, and six other countries have a combined total of more than 1,000 nuclear warheads. One miscalculation and the world as we know it can literally go up in flames in a matter of minutes.

    Being isolationists is not an option. "America first" is not an option.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    "And the Bernie left is largely why Donald wound up "winning" (even though 3 million more people voted for Hillary)."

    Not in your wildest dreams. According to you Hillary was going to obliterate Trump and now you keep parading the totally embarrassing according to your estimate 3 million votes like it means something. It is meaning less according to your initial assessment. How bad did you say Hillary was going to beat Trump?

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    Dockadams said: "He didn't need to spend any money, the media gave him just about 24/7 coverage for FREE, you almost could not watch any newscast without them mentioning him in ways that no other candidate had. He is still being covered by MSM on a daily, if not hourly basis. He's gotten more coverage than any past president ever has in history, I'd almost bet my Cadillac on that statement."

    So are you saying that when Trump decided to run for Presdent that he knew that he would get free press coverage. Are you subscribing to the brilliant Trump theory or are you crediting him with clairvoyance? How do you suppose he knew he would not have to put together an organization because he would get free press coverage? Still not sure what you are saying. Are you saying he knew ahead of time that he would not have to spend as much of his own money?

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    Dockadams said: "He didn't need to spend any money, the media gave him just about 24/7 coverage for FREE, you almost could not watch any newscast without them mentioning him in ways that no other candidate had. He is still being covered by MSM on a daily, if not hourly basis. He's gotten more coverage than any past president ever has in history, I'd almost bet my Cadillac on that statement."

    So are you saying that when Trump decided to run for Presdent that he knew that he would get free press coverage. Are you subscribing to the brilliant Trump theory or are you crediting him with clairvoyance? How do you suppose he knew he would not have to put together an organization because he would get free press coverage? Still not sure what you are saying. Are you saying he knew ahead of time that he would not have to spend as much of his own money?

    No. Trump decided to run when Obama so badly embarrassed him at that press correspondents dinner.

    How many alt right people do you know? I know of none, 0, zero, this is where Trump garnered supporters, Trump with a disrespect for authority, disrespect for government in it's present form, it was almost like he wanted to overthrow this type of government, that's where the alt right embraced the kook. He's a Cliven Bundy to many people who are anti-government. That is and was his base. That's his organization. As far as not spending much money campaigning, I already have, as well as Schmidt that he didn't need to spend money for television or radio ads since all MSM gave him FREE coverage, the airways were bombarded by what Trump said every second. I don't credit Trump for anything, I dislike him tremendously, probably more than anyone realizes.

    100% Bernie left you are? I supported Bernie till he was no longer the D candidate, after his loss, I voted for Mrs. Clinton. I realize that 100% Bernie fans didn't vote for her, which is too bad, some decided not to vote for her at all, and stayed home. Some Bernie voters switched their support to Trump too from what I've read.

    IMHO, I believe this thread should be merged with the other thread which discusses why Trump didn't want to be president, because essentially, we're covering ground here that's largely already been discussed, we're whipping the dead horse now.

    democratichub.com/posts/14513/trump-did...

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Sorry Dockadams but you are leaving the question unanswered. Are you saying Trump knew ahead of his campaign that he would get free press coverage? I am 100% Union FDR Working People Democrat. I know and knew who Trump and people like him are 70 years ago. I have always maintained there is only one vote for working people. Straight Democratic ticket. A real Bernie supporter could never vote for a Trump. While everybody else wrote Trump off I explained how he could win and how to defeat him. Michelle Obama had the right idea but was obviously ignored or acknowledged and overidden. It is only beating a dead horse when the consensus is there are no unanswered questons. Just like saying he didn't need to spend money because he got free press creates more questions than answers. Did he know that ahead of time and how did he know. I maintain he didn't spend any money because he didn't want to win that bad. That is supported at the end when he was behind in the polls but close enough to win and he didn't throw a big chunk of change into the campaign.. What money he did put in at the end only about 45% was spent. Mean anything ? I say overall he didn't want to win. He is not running the job like a person that wants to create a positive legacy.
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Sorry Dockadams but you are leaving the question unanswered. Are you saying Trump knew ahead of his campaign that he would get free press coverage? I am 100% Union FDR Working People Democrat. I know and knew who Trump and people like him are 70 years ago. I have always maintained there is only one vote for working people. Straight Democratic ticket. A real Bernie supporter could never vote for a Trump. While everybody else wrote Trump off I explained how he could win and how to defeat him. Michelle Obama had the right idea but was obviously ignored or acknowledged and overidden. It is only beating a dead horse when the consensus is there are no unanswered questons. Just like saying he didn't need to spend money because he got free press creates more questions than answers. Did he know that ahead of time and how did he know. I maintain he didn't spend any money because he didn't want to win that bad. That is supported at the end when he was behind in the polls but close enough to win and he didn't throw a big chunk of change into the campaign.. What money he did put in at the end only about 45% was spent. Mean anything ? I say overall he didn't want to win. He is not running the job like a person that wants to create a positive legacy.

    No.

    According to a blog, 2 out of 10 Sanders supporters voted for Trump, but that number may have been higher in Florida and possibly a few other states.

    npr.org/2016/11/12/501704004/after-trum...

    But hey, Bernie isn't a democrat, if he'd run as a socialist, he may not have received any votes at all. There's some states that only will allow a 2 party system. In my state, I'm allowed to write in a candidate, but that is a wasted vote.

    I still maintain that he wanted to win as being president of the most powerful nation on earth, winning is everything to this person. You see how he reacts when criticized, nothing is ever his fault, he will never take blame for anything, he blames others for everything aimed towards him, only credits matter to him. The man has a mental disorder, he loves power, he is hungry for power over others.