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  • Center Left
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    thinkprogress.org/kentucky-coal-mine-so...

    About 6 weeks ago pr suggested that Solar panels should be built above closed coal mines. This is a step in the right direction.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    TJ Wrote:

    thinkprogress.org/kentucky-coal-mine-so...

    About 6 weeks ago pr suggested that Solar panels should be built above closed coal mines. This is a step in the right direction.

    Hi TJ, have you ever visited Kentucky? It has vast areas of strip mined coal. I also think Missouri has large areas of strip mining too. Solar panels is a step in the right direction, so I concur with you.
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    Dockadams Wrote:
    TJ Wrote:

    thinkprogress.org/kentucky-coal-mine-so...

    About 6 weeks ago pr suggested that Solar panels should be built above closed coal mines. This is a step in the right direction.

    Hi TJ, have you ever visited Kentucky? It has vast areas of strip mined coal. I also think Missouri has large areas of strip mining too. Solar panels is a step in the right direction, so I concur with you.
    I bet that this Pruit Oklahoma EPA guy destroys those panels in an hurry because it destroys the view on the coal heaps and is good for the environment, as well Trump wants to get rid of it it because likely the panels were made in China.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    It probably also has a positive cost - benefit measure. The cost of restoring the land with top soil and vegetation would be weighed against the cost of the solar panel installations plus the revenue generated from electricity sales. If they use local labor (unemployed miners) for the solar project, it would also have the benefit of changing opinions about these alternative energy sources taking their jobs away. A win-win.
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    Just yesterday, Berkeley Energy Group announced that it will start building the largest solar installations in the state of Kentucky, on top of the site of abandoned strip mines:

    thinkprogress.org/kentucky-coal-mine-so...

    In other coal news, it was on this day in 1914 that the militia was called in to end a coal strike in Ludlow, Colorado. The militia was called in by the Rockefeller family, who owned Colorado Fuel and Iron Corporation. Ultimately, 66 men, women, and children were killed, but the strike did not improve the working conditions of the workers.

    The biggest improvement that could be made in the state of Kentucky, though, is political. Now that Mitch McConnell has been found guilty of accepting money from the Russians, his career may finally start to nosedive.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Human rights shouldn't be measured against a cost benefit scale. You don't have to prove that you can only justify saving and improving lives if it is cheap. The right wing conservatives have people walking on egg shells when it comes to helping people. There are a lot of people getting non stop tickets straight to hell, and they apparently are proud of it.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Human rights shouldn't be measured against a cost benefit scale. You don't have to prove that you can only justify saving and improving lives if it is cheap. The right wing conservatives have people walking on egg shells when it comes to helping people. There are a lot of people getting non stop tickets straight to hell, and they apparently are proud of it.

    Being a coal miner is not a human right.

    Regardless, this solar investment will generate thousands of sustainable jobs because unlike coal, there will always be a sun (well, until it burns out in 5 billion years).

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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Human rights shouldn't be measured against a cost benefit scale. You don't have to prove that you can only justify saving and improving lives if it is cheap. The right wing conservatives have people walking on egg shells when it comes to helping people. There are a lot of people getting non stop tickets straight to hell, and they apparently are proud of it.
    Why did you write the same exact post twice two hours apart?
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    When I logged on the text text editor appeared. I though the it hadn't posted so I posted it.

    jaredsxtb et al, Putting solar farms on the shut down mining operations in WVA is rediculous. Accessibility is horrible and so would power distribution be handicapped. Population density is sparse so the entire idea is a gimmick. The only thing those areas are suited for are hunting camps. They should pay to relocate everybody with a subsistance per diem allowance offset by earnings.

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    Dutch Wrote:
    Dockadams Wrote:
    TJ Wrote:

    thinkprogress.org/kentucky-coal-mine-so...

    About 6 weeks ago pr suggested that Solar panels should be built above closed coal mines. This is a step in the right direction.

    Hi TJ, have you ever visited Kentucky? It has vast areas of strip mined coal. I also think Missouri has large areas of strip mining too. Solar panels is a step in the right direction, so I concur with you.
    I bet that this Pruit Oklahoma EPA guy destroys those panels in an hurry because it destroys the view on the coal heaps and is good for the environment, as well Trump wants to get rid of it it because likely the panels were made in China.
    Yeah, that guy on the Trump cabinet is akin to having a weasel guard a chicken farm. But that's what Trump wants, a cabinet of elites, he's 100 times worse than Bush 43.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: jaredsxtb et al, Putting solar farms on the shut down mining operations in WVA is rediculous. Accessibility is horrible and so would power distribution be handicapped. Population density is sparse so the entire idea is a gimmick. The only thing those areas are suited for are hunting camps. They should pay to relocate everybody with a subsistance per diem allowance offset by earnings.

    So coal mining jobs in shut down mining areas of West Virginia are ok, but solar power jobs in the exact same area aren't?

    Aren't you the guy who constantly rails that any job is better than no job and that forcing people to relocate for job opportunities is anti-American? Do you not see how blatantly hypocritical you are?

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    jaredsxtn said:

    "So coal mining jobs in shut down mining areas of West Virginia are ok, but solar power jobs in the exact same area are not?

    Aren't you the guy who constantly rails that any job is better than no job and that forcing people to relocate for job opportunities is anti-American?"
    Your typical strawman distortion in order to propose a senseless proposition to put forth. Coal mining jobs are located where the coal seam is easily entered from the surface. To propose putting any other kind of business in the remote sparsely populated difficult to access in the summer impossible to access in the winter not near any supply sources our routes is idiotic.
    I objected to your naive expectation of long term unemployed individuals somehow having access to the $5000 needed to relocate to a jobs available community. Strawman rsised to the jaredsxtn power.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    A particular coal seam runs for miles. The mines in the remote areas are taking advantage of coal seams that are at ground level. Tunnels are dug horizontally into the hillsides to mine the coal. That is why the mines are located in the remote areas, to take advantage of easily accessible Coal seams.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Chet - Quoting from the above ThinkProgress article that you might have missed above:

    "Berkeley Energy Group, the coal company behind the project, billed it as the first large-scale solar farm in the Appalachian region, which has been hit hard by the decades-long decline in the U.S. coal industry. The company, in partnership with EDF Renewable Energy, is currently conducting feasibility studies for the project on two reclaimed strip mines, both located in the eastern part of the state. Berkeley Energy Group estimates that the solar farm could produce as much as 50 or 100 megawatts of electricity, which would be five to ten times the size of Kentucky’s largest solar farm."

    "Berkeley Energy Group’s project development executive told the Louisville Courier-Journal that the company did not intend to replace its coal production with the solar farm, but instead viewed the project as a chance to reclaim used land while creating job growth in the area."

    So what does Berkeley Energy see in what you call a ridiculous idea?

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Schmidt, Did you see the picture of the sight? If anything they are diverting the responsibility if returning that destroyed land to a solar farm that the reclamation will be paid by somebody else. Placing a solar farm in an expensive to develop hard to service area best turned into a wilderness game preserve does not make sense. There are not enough people there to use the power that and the farm will permanently displace and alter the wildlife and vegetation that are supposed to be returned.