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The plight of the "unemployable worker"

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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    jaredsxtn said :

    "I don't think it's a good idea to spend billions of dollars before doing a cost-benefit analysis."

    Really? And what is the benefit you would measure against ? And while you waste time analyzing people continue to suffer. You keep them sitting on their assets while you figure how to cut their wages.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    jaredsxtn said :

    "I don't think it's a good idea to spend billions of dollars before doing a cost-benefit analysis."

    Really? And what is the benefit you would measure against ? And while you waste time analyzing people continue to suffer. You keep them sitting on their assets while you figure how to cut their wages.

    Again - your statements have absolutely nothing to do with the plight of the unemployable worker. Nothing whatsoever.

    To answer your question - a cost benefit analysis is what any government agency should do before spending taxpayer money on something. If a timber town is failed and 90% deserted then why would we spend precious resources trying to revitalize a town that no one wants to live in? Should we spend millions of dollars trying to convince the 90% to come back or should we spend far less figuring out a way to help the 10% left behind?

    The same goes with countless other failing and failed towns spread throughout our country. Why should we spend billions of dollars on areas that no one wants to live in? I believe it would be a better investment to help make sure the unemployable people in those areas get the assistance they need that will actually help them solve the underlying issues of why they are unemployable in the first place.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    MSN, Washington Post, May 17, 2017: Analysis: Companies need workers – but people keep getting high

    "Job applicants are testing positive for marijuana, cocaine, amphetamine and heroin at the highest rate in 12 years, according to a new report from Quest Diagnostics, a clinical lab that follows national employment trends.

    At one Colorado employer:

    “Some weeks this year, 90 percent of applicants would test positive for something,” ruling them out for the job, said Laura Stephens, a human resources manager for the company in Denver.

    "The state’s [Colorado] unemployment rate is already low — 3 percent, compared to 4.7 percent for the entire nation. Failed drug tests, which are rising locally and nationally, further drain the pool of eligible job candidates."

    “Finding people to fill jobs,” Stephens said, “is really challenging.”

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    Colorado is a long ways from West Virginia. The drug problem in screening potential employees is more acute here because of recreational marijuana. For someone who is clean and has skills, there are jobs...at least in Colorado. That is provided they migrate.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    MSN, Washington Post, May 17, 2017: Analysis: Companies need workers – but people keep getting high

    "Job applicants are testing positive for marijuana, cocaine, amphetamine and heroin at the highest rate in 12 years, according to a new report from Quest Diagnostics, a clinical lab that follows national employment trends.

    At one Colorado employer:

    “Some weeks this year, 90 percent of applicants would test positive for something,” ruling them out for the job, said Laura Stephens, a human resources manager for the company in Denver.

    "The state’s [Colorado] unemployment rate is already low — 3 percent, compared to 4.7 percent for the entire nation. Failed drug tests, which are rising locally and nationally, further drain the pool of eligible job candidates."

    “Finding people to fill jobs,” Stephens said, “is really challenging.”

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    Colorado is a long ways from West Virginia. The drug problem in screening potential employees is more acute here because of recreational marijuana. For someone who is clean and has skills, there are jobs...at least in Colorado. That is provided they migrate.

    That's true, finding people is a task. My old boss had three prerequisites in his hiring criteria, 1. walking 2. talking 3. breathing, but if he'd ever found out you were a druggie, even recreationally, he'd fire you and find a reason other than using a drug reason. He never had employees drug tested primarily because of the cost involved and the turn over rate. I once told him he should have a revolving door installed on his business establishment.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    I no longer smoke marijuana, but I always struggle with lumping in marijuana with other hard drugs. Someone can smoke marijuana one day and it can stay in their system for the next month or more, even if they don't do it again. I'm all for making sure people aren't high on the job, but I do have an issue with denying someone a job because they tested positive for marijuana even if they hadn't smoked in a long time.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    I pretty much quit smoking Maryjane too right after I was busted with an article 15 in the armed forces. When I returned home from serving, many friends I hung around with used it but I refrained, mainly because I began working for a county highway department is southern Illinois after being separated from the AF. I was concerned that if I were ever randomly tested, and I smoked, I'd lose a good paying job. Later, I obtained my CDL and that job requires heavy equipment operators and truck drivers be totally clean, zero tolerance.

    My wife worked in a nursing home, and they'd do drug testing for new hires, and nearly 90% of the new hires were found to have been using one type of drug or another, these people were immediately let go, some people, depending on how quickly test results were delivered, were not hired at all.

    I can see employers having a hard time finding people who are drug free. It's what most employers require these days.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Drug Testing And Other Possible Conditions Of Employment

    This website provides some guidance on how prospective employers screen for drugs. Marijuana stays in the system for some 30 days and is perhaps unfairly the biggest reason for failing a drug test. Colorado, Washington, and other states with recreational marijuana laws are finding it harder to find employees for key jobs such as heavy equipment operators.

    Still laying off marijuana for 30 days plus seems to me should be easier than trying to get clean from the heavily addictive drugs on the list.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    I would agree with your post, I quit and had no problem doing so, and never had the urge or relapsed into needing it or wanting it ever again. It's probably the easiest drug to quit and not miss at all, unlike all the modern day drugs today that people become addicted to. I remember how they used to say that marijuana was addictive and would lead a person to want more or turn to stronger drugs, which was a false statement, possibly put out there as like a warning to people not to take up or try marijuana.

    One problem I have with government and some employers is that some people who use it for medicinal purposes without a prescription still are not employable because of their policies of having a zero tolerance.

    I thought I heard a news clip a few days ago saying that OWI deaths and injuries by drug use now outnumber alcohol related deaths and injuries, which is a real problem nowadays.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    The other unemployable worker: "I'm sorry, I can't hire you because you're over-qualified.

    My neighbor, around 50 years of age is unemployed, he claims he want's to work, and asked me to browse CL jobs for him, anything in construction, framing, carpentry, woodwork, masonry, granite, tile, marble construction. I asked what his qualifications were and he claims to have 30 years experience in granite, tile and marble fabrication and installation.

    I give him a lead for someone looking for a tile setter who must have experience in the field. I asked my neighbor if he contacted the lead and he said that he did, and when the lead asked for his qualifications, he told them he had 30 years experience at it. The person of the lead given told him he was over-qualified.

    Over-qualified, what's that supposed to mean? Is that a nice way of telling an applicant that he or she is too old? Or, is that a way of telling the applicant that we're looking for someone with that experience, but we pay much less than the $10.00 per hour that the applicant asked for in the starting wage or salary?

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Effect of even a little alcohol. About 30 years ago a sailboat captain asked me to help him train some racing crew. There was no drinking on the boat i raced on. The training day i had a couple of beers on the way out. The first manuever i missed a winch with the line. I really focused and noticed a difference in every aspect doing fast actions that had been done for years without ever having a drink. Until then I had thought a little alcohol had amplified competitive activities. That coupled with MADD was enough to stop drinking alcohol altogether. I saw what just a little did to reactions and reaction time. I don't crusade or care or protest what others do, I do know it does effect performance in a negative way.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    "Over-qualified, what's that supposed to mean? "

    I can tell you what it can mean. If an over qualified person is put in a position needing less qualifications it can lead to a lot of problems and troubles. Nobody has taken the time to explain it that has been effected. Over qualified people may want to help out because of their experience and knowledge. What can end up happening is a lot of disruption, hard feelings, lost time and money. It is hard enough to train people to do a job that has been done successfully a certain way. Albeit a new hire can be a brilliant experienced addition but the possible disruption can be a significant liability. Lesser qualified newbies can develop hostilities and the list goes on. Everybody does not possess the capacity to smoothly benefit from surprise assets.

  • Independent
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    Yes America is an strange country indeed; What is "over-qualified" anyway. My feeling is that most people here are under-qualified, because the "basic" knowledge about the world and its "structure"/industry/financials/technology as well what makes humans "move" is missing, because that subject is not taught in schools. If you know nothing of the world around this "island" and have not learned to look at the big picture and be able to analyse things for the "why" and "what" and just believe what the church/army tells you; then you are super un-qualified for any job.
  • Center Left
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    Are you over qualified to feed your family ? Take what you can get and take something better when or if it comes along.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Schmidt Wrote: Still laying off marijuana for 30 days plus seems to me should be easier than trying to get clean from the heavily addictive drugs on the list.

    I definitely see where you're coming from when it comes to "laying off marijuana for 30 days," but I just find it absurd that someone can have a prescription for fentanyl and pass a drug test, but will fail one if they smoked weed a month ago.

    It just doesn't make sense to me that, with all of our technological advances, we haven't figured out a way to determine if someone is high on fentanyl, but not high on marijuana.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    TJ Wrote: Are you over qualified to feed your family ? Take what you can get and take something better when or if it comes along.

    Well, okay TJ.

    How about the underemployed owner operator truck driver or expedited cargo driver. He's pissed off the main dispatcher in some way, and the main dispatcher tells all the subordinates to punish driver #6. Driver #6 has been sitting for days now with no loads or packages to pick up or deliver. Finally, on the 4th. day, driver #6 is given a crappy run, it pays 20% less than the runs he had before his tiff with the chief dispatcher. Driver #6 complains about the amount he might be paid for the run, and the chief dispatcher tells him it's better than nothing. And nothing is about what it's worth because after the owner operator pays expenses like fuel, insurance and so forth, he doesn't make anything at all, he doesn't even break even.

    I'm thinking being over qualified really means that is a person has 30 years experience as a skilled worker, that person wouldn't need to be told what to do or how to do it. But it can, like someone mentioned, is that there's the boss's way of doing it and that's the way he or she might want it done. In other words, the boss's way rules, and your 30 years experience doesn't mean anything on the job.