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No...Obamacare is not in a "death spiral"

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  • Liberal Democrat
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    Joy Reid, Daily Beast, March 17, 2017: Time to Call Out the Big GOP Lie on Obamacare

    Joy Reid addresses another hot button topic for me. That's is the Republican talking point shared by all talking Republicans that "Obamacare is in a death spiral" or that "Obamacare is imploding". Joy debunks that point.

    “Obamacare is imploding” has become the Republicans’ Big Lie; a lie that doesn’t get nearly the disrespect it deserves. Every day, on cable and broadcast news, and in press conferences, Republicans look into the camera and claim that Obamacare is imploding, collapsing, and death spiraling; frequently to either non-responses or the obligatory “uh-huh” in reply. It’s quite a concession on the part of members of the media; allowing Republicans to recast their greatest obsession—repealing Obamacare—as an emergency rescue operation, or even an “act of mercy.”

    As Reid points out, "Obamacare is not imploding. Nor is it collapsing. Nor is it a “ticking time bomb”. The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office concludes that the “non-group” market, the individual insurance market in which people sign up on state or federal exchanges, “would probably be stable in most areas under either current law or the legislation.” The spike in premiums for 2016 are in large part due to Republicans in Congress a sabotaging the law.

    Without Republican efforts to sabotage the law, even more people would be covered than the 20 million covered under the plan. The only real problem Republicans have with Obamacare is that it's called Obamacare...and Obama borrowed his plan from Mitt Romney's Romneycare in Massachusetts.

    Let's make the few fixes that it needs and call it "Trumpcare". I'm sure Obama wouldn't mind.

  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Joy Reid, Daily Beast, March 17, 2017: Time to Call Out the Big GOP Lie on Obamacare

    Joy Reid addresses another hot button topic for me. That's is the Republican talking point shared by all talking Republicans that "Obamacare is in a death spiral" or that "Obamacare is imploding". Joy debunks that point.

    “Obamacare is imploding” has become the Republicans’ Big Lie; a lie that doesn’t get nearly the disrespect it deserves. Every day, on cable and broadcast news, and in press conferences, Republicans look into the camera and claim that Obamacare is imploding, collapsing, and death spiraling; frequently to either non-responses or the obligatory “uh-huh” in reply. It’s quite a concession on the part of members of the media; allowing Republicans to recast their greatest obsession—repealing Obamacare—as an emergency rescue operation, or even an “act of mercy.”

    As Reid points out, "Obamacare is not imploding. Nor is it collapsing. Nor is it a “ticking time bomb”. The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office concludes that the “non-group” market, the individual insurance market in which people sign up on state or federal exchanges, “would probably be stable in most areas under either current law or the legislation.” The spike in premiums for 2016 are in large part due to Republicans in Congress a sabotaging the law.

    Without Republican efforts to sabotage the law, even more people would be covered than the 20 million covered under the plan. The only real problem Republicans have with Obamacare is that it's called Obamacare...and Obama borrowed his plan from Mitt Romney's Romneycare in Massachusetts.

    Let's make the few fixes that it needs and call it "Trumpcare". I'm sure Obama wouldn't mind.

    Like I said: Everything "Obama" has to be eradicated . He's an absolute "hateful" animal.

    The other thing to show that is right now he has ordered that you can't fly anymore with "laptops, I-Pads other "electronic"devices with airlines and 10 airports coming from the middle east, as well Marocco.

    This is another thing to show his hate for Muslim countries, because he lost the "travel ban" so he then"pesters" them as revenge.

    Also he gave Ivanka an White House job including the security with it; costing of course nothing. How long can this "daily" shit go on with this lunatic and all his family eating out of the same "bucket" ???

  • Independent
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    Yes of course it is an big lie; however the stupid people here fall for it, if you keep repeating the message. Just like "used" car salesmen; the car collapses when it leaves the lot. But yeah this country is too stupid to copy things from other countries where the system works. Thus keep re-inventing the wheel and stirring in your own created shit, that will work. Up to the next disaster. Be proud of it!! And so we muddle on and on.
  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Without Republican efforts to sabotage the law, even more people would be covered than the 20 million covered under the plan. The only real problem Republicans have with Obamacare is that it's called Obamacare...and Obama borrowed his plan from Mitt Romney's Romneycare in Massachusetts.

    Let's make the few fixes that it needs and call it "Trumpcare". I'm sure Obama wouldn't mind.

    Yes, the ACA has been elevated to a political tool\weapon in a struggle for political power. Each party wants 100% credit\control over the healthcare system and to lockout the other. Winner takes all.

    If it were simply about the core functionality of the healthcare system (not a political issue), both parties would work together to fix the ACA, which would mean adopting some of the republican ideas. As it is, republican work against anything that allows the ACA to function well, magnifying even the smallest of problems to doomsdays levels, and democrats downplay those same problems as being trivial issues that need a few tweaks with a screw driver.

    No matter how flawed the system might be, Obama deserves credit for moving the issue forward, a flawed working system is better than no system. If not for Obama and congress passing health care reform, this very day it would be nothing but a political debate that is perpetually on the drawing board; the winners would be those who don't want a healthcare system. What Obama did was forced Republicans to come to the healthcare table and put forth a healthcare system they think is better. Its a very poor way to solve problems, but its far better than a stalemate that goes on for decades.

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    Read the Republican platform it's full of lies. It's all about blaming democrats , lies and bullshit. Republicans are actively working to destroy our country is so many ways. And they are on the verge of success. I wonder what the would do for they are successful ?
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Well, the ACA does need help, I can testify to that.

    My spouse has had insurance through Uncle Sam for 2.5 years now.

    2015 wasn't too bad for premium and deductible costs.

    2016 was very good, a $120.00 monthly premium and lab work and most prescriptions covered.

    2017, premiums are now $170.00 monthly, no lab work is covered at all, she must pay a $2,600.00 deductible before anything kicks in. Her doctor wanted her to take injections to lower her blood sugar, her cost $300.00 plus the injection tips. Her insurance changed that because her insurance at the beginning of 2017 paid for Januvia. Her cost $50.00.

    Something happened in March 2017, insurance won't cover Januvia unless she pays the $2,600. deductible, and then they'll only pay $105.00, she'd have to pay $250.00.

    With her blood sugar on the rise, she's been chowing lightly in the last 2 months. Fruits, berries, veggies, and portioning her meals. She's working on it.

    I heard a few days ago they, the Repubs want to make sick people pay more.

    I don't think they have mainstream Americans in their hearts, I think they're out to undo everything democrats and liberals have been fighting for since the beginning of time, that really angers me.

    What else angers me is that these insurance companies have lengthy fine print in the details of coverage, you need to be an attorney to decipher what's covered and what's not.

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    For this one reason we should be rioting.
  • Center Left
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    To lower blood sugar eat less carbohydrates. Check out the Glycemic index. Best wishes for success.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Every now and then people show up in the capital to demonstrate, I don't believe rioting solves much, we're not living in the 1960's or 1970's any longer when it seemed politicians took notice when people rioted. Nowadays, we have police departments armed like jackboot thugs, we all saw how they handled riots in Ferguson. We need more politicians like Warren, Schumer, Sanders, and the like to not give an inch, I'd even like it if the democrats became the party of NO for the next 4 years, they gave Obama the NO for 8.

    It was laughable when Donald bitched on national television that no democrats voted for their health care bill, doesn't he know no republicans voted for the ACA? Gosh that guy is a dumbass.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Yup, that's what she's been doing the last couple of months, it's helped a lot.
  • Independent
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    All of you guys got the right analyses; however due to that we have now like an total brainless government consisting of people from backwards States and billionaires who don't care except their own wallet and ego, then the mess gets huge. Just keep people dumb and home school them, that is then what you get; just join the army that will help this country go further into the shit. Congratulations America.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    The title of this thread is, "No, Obamacare is not in a death spiral". However, this does not mean that Trump doesn't have the ability to sabotage it and hence making it implode. This article in Vox explains:

    Vox, April 20, 2017: Trump’s nuclear option on Obamacare, explained

    Basically, a lawsuit pending against Obamacare cost sharing reduction payments for lower income people was being defended by the Executive Branch (Obama) before the election. A lower court ruled against the CSR, and Obama initiated an appeal to the US Deistrict Court in Washington DC. If Trump decides to simply drop the defense of the CSR provision, then the lower court ruling stands and it could start the death spiral...or maybe. It depends on the good graces of Congress.

    It's complicated. Read the article for more insight.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Just want to point out that "Moslercare" remains the superior "free market" and "universal healthcare" option.

    huffingtonpost.com/warren-mosler/a-prog...

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Carlitos Wrote:

    Just want to point out that "Moslercare" remains the superior "free market" and "universal healthcare" option.

    huffingtonpost.com/warren-mosler/a-prog...

    Good luck with that, according to the republican revised HC bill, it's even worse than the last proposal they scuttled. The only thing that democrats and progressives have going for them is the freedom caucus (about 23 lawmakers) who may not get on board with the new and revised HC bill. If that happens, the ACA will survive another hit, but republicans are already working to gut funding for the ACA. Doing so will cause a rise in premiums and deductibles for people who are dependent on the ACA for care.
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    Carlitos Wrote:

    Just want to point out that "Moslercare" remains the superior "free market" and "universal healthcare" option.

    huffingtonpost.com/warren-mosler/a-prog...

    The biggest problem is that it appears to largely take the health insurance companies out of the market with the vague "form of Medicare" option, whatever that means. That will be vigorously opposed by Republicans. It's why Obama could not put a public option into the ACA.

    A few other minor points:

    It will not lessen the administrative burden as somehow the expenses for the first $5,000 will have to be "catalogued" in some system.

    Given the option of preventive care (e.g. checkups) or the cash at the end of the year, many people will opt to wait for the cash.

    Being free to buy private medical insurance doesn't really work for those with a pre-existing condition.

    The cost of prescription drugs could well exceed $5,000 for many people.