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why are there Sanctuary Cities ?

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    I've been trying to understand the concept for months.

    A Sanctuary City is basically a city where they shelter people that are in the United States illegally, hamstringing ICE and the Fed Gov't job at deportations etc. staying uncooperative and making the process very hard.

    What would be a city's motivation to do that? With few exceptions, everything comes down to money but cities don't get money for having illegals in it, right? So that's not it. What do illegals provide then? Its certainly not Federal taxes or State as they don't have SS# and don't file (with rare exception) and they don't normally follow rules/regulations that citizens have to follow ( they're not bound by US law because they're not citizens)

  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    People like you will never understand that. It is clear that you never experienced WWII. At that time you had "razzia's" which rounded up Jews; then you had the "saboteurs" (NSB) who helped the Nazi's to find the Jews who were hiding.

    That same system takes place here now. You look to me as an person who would like to follow that same system.

    I fully agree that Sanctuary Cities are needed to give an "human" face to what our forefathers thought when they came to this country and even you have no right to be here; Indians are the rightful owners here; not imported people like you or me.

    Sieg Heil

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    People like you will never understand that. It is clear that you never experienced WWII. At that time you had "razzia's" which rounded up Jews; then you had the "saboteurs" (NSB) who helped the Nazi's to find the Jews who were hiding.

    The Jews were not German citizens? They weren't Polish citizens? Didn't Hitler and Germany pass laws that affected Jews/blacks etc whereas in the United States, we've always had laws against being here illegally, right?

    That same system takes place here now. You look to me as an person who would like to follow that same system.

    Um .... I'm trying to understand you here. You're saying the US Govt, by enforcing immigration laws, is Nazi Germany 3.0 ?

    Do you think we should have open borders, everyone comes and goes freely, there are no US citizens anymore and we all live free love style like in the 1970's ? You don't believe in citizenship or legal immigration then?

    I fully agree that Sanctuary Cities are needed to give an "human" face to what our forefathers thought when they came to this country and even you have no right to be here; Indians are the rightful owners here; not imported people like you or me.

    Sieg Heil

    Define "right to be here" .... the Indians fought and took it from someone before the white mean came.

    You tried to sidetrack - not very well but you failed to answer. What's in it for the sanctuary city? Most CA cities are hundreds of millions in debt. Illegals cost a lot of money, cities are not oblivious to this though most people are.

    So what's the motivation?

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Colorado Springs, CO
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    conservativecat Wrote:

    I've been trying to understand the concept for months.

    A Sanctuary City is basically a city where they shelter people that are in the United States illegally, hamstringing ICE and the Fed Gov't job at deportations etc. staying uncooperative and making the process very hard.

    What would be a city's motivation to do that? With few exceptions, everything comes down to money but cities don't get money for having illegals in it, right? So that's not it. What do illegals provide then? Its certainly not Federal taxes or State as they don't have SS# and don't file (with rare exception) and they don't normally follow rules/regulations that citizens have to follow ( they're not bound by US law because they're not citizens)

    You've been trying to understand the concept of sanctuary cities for months? Well, for many of us, we just look at what is inscribed at the base of the Statue of Liberty:

    Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
    With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
    Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
    A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
    Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
    Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
    Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
    The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
    “Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she
    With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free
    ,
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

    I think that kind of speaks for all of us who believe in an America that is inclusive and compassionate. That's all.

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    Scmidt

    Was Obama wrong ?

    youtube.com/watch?v=T7LGoHV3aKs

    Was Clinton wrong ?

    youtube.com/watch?v=auZRVqrCLY8

    Illegal means against the law, nothing good comes from it.

  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    Each Nation has the right to control immigration into their country, the purpose is to either provide labor or needed skilled workers, the end result was for them to be be assimilated into society, those who go into a country illegally must be deported unless proven that they are refugees, where they are then placed into areas until the problem in their country is resolved and then they are sent back. Sanctuary cities are by definition illegal because of the breaking of Federal laws regarding immigration and should themselves be sanctioned.

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    That's correct, the US immigration policies on illegals hasn't changed dramatically in the past 100 years as far as I know and certainly not when the Nazi party changed the laws in Germany to target Jews, we can safely toss that wild comparison out.

    Assume for a second its all based on the fact that is a "good thing" to do. Good for who? Citizens in CA have to abide by rules, regulations, tax codes etc. They have to buy licenses and insurance and bondings and carry health care - they're citizens, the State and Federal Govt knows who they are and if they don't do these things there are penalties. Citizens sign up for the military (men) and serve jury duty, pay Fed and State income taxes. There are a LOT of things a citizen has to do .... and in return, they get things like Social Security, public schools, social aid like EBT cards, etc etc.

    An illegal? They get many of those same citizen benefits ... but they don't have to put anything at all into the system. That's the problem ... and they don't want to become US citizens or they'd work towards it - its easy just to be mexican, live in the US for 35 years, stay loyal to Mexico and yet get all the benefits of living in the US.

    That's all true by and large.

    So ..... what's the benefit of being a citizen again? Hell I don't want to pay Fed taxes anymore. I don't want to have to pay for car insurance. My son wants to start a lawnmowing business but he has to get a license and insurance to do it and the local illegals? they mow for 1/2 the price with a pushmower in the back of an unlicensed truck because they don't have to buy insurance or licenses. If they get caught? SANCTUARY CITY ..... nothing can be done to them

    I'll tell you what I think the core benefit is to a sanctuary city - exploitation. They need those illegals, to exploit that labor force for less money and longer hours. Labor laws don't apply - so they can work them like dogs in the fields, building houses etc. That would make sense - they don't want to lose that force, so they shelter and encourage them to stay illegally and against the laws of the country. C

  • Center Left
    Independent
    Central, FL
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    Johnnycee, Nothing like a fellow Republican to get you out from the shadows.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    johnnycee Wrote:

    Each Nation has the right to control immigration into their country, the purpose is to either provide labor or needed skilled workers, the end result was for them to be be assimilated into society, those who go into a country illegally must be deported unless proven that they are refugees, where they are then placed into areas until the problem in their country is resolved and then they are sent back. Sanctuary cities are by definition illegal because of the breaking of Federal laws regarding immigration and should themselves be sanctioned.

    Sick very sick indeed; thus you are sending an woman with 2 kids which stay behind and born here after being here for 20 years over the border where she has no family, just for the "fun" of pestering her. You are an very piece of dirt indeed.

    J.C. you are indeed as I said many times not an Democrat, but just about the worst "white Supreme Christian Republican" you can get. Jesus will be proud of you for sure!

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    Dutch - so anytime a woman with kids commits crimes, she shouldn't pay the penalties for doing those crimes simply because her kids will be left behind right ?

    Clinton said it had to stop.

    Obama said it had to stop.

    Neither did it, nor the Bush's. Obama deported a good many and I don't remember in 8 years a single time protests. Why ?

    Points are being ignored here - are they too hard to answer?

  • Independent
    Washington
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    I view it as a city's general attitude of how they deal with immigrants, refugees, and illegal immigrants.

    I live in such a city\county\state, and what it means here is that law enforcement is not to use resources to specifically go after people who may, or may not, be in the here illegally. Here, where immigrants tend to live is low crime areas, so there is no need for law enforcement to target those areas in an effort to reduce crime. However, they could target those areas to make a large number of arrests based on immigration matters.

    Half that state is agricultural, and even republicans tend not to see a large numbers of migrant workers being targeted simply because they are migrant. They are hard working, and make up over 95% of the agricultural workforce. They show up at dawn every day, and work until the sun goes down (paid by the pound, etc). Hate to say it, few American born are that willing to do that type of manual labor, which is why its dominated by migrant workers.

    Basically the population as a whole want law enforcement to focus on crimes that are directly impacting the city\county.

  • Independent
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    When agriculture is damaged by the lack of cheap labor and food prices jump will conservatives send their children to work stoop labor?

    This is not and never has been about controlling borders. It is about economics. It is about the driver that capital requires low cost wage inputs. It is about capital in other countries not building an economy for the benefit of all but for the benefit of the few including importantly free capital flows seeking the most return.

    Any other claim is of necessity bullshit.

  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    We separate children from their parents everyday in our Justice System when we sentence a parent or parents to jail time, so whats the difference with these illegals, they commit a crime , they go back. And again you resort to name calling when your argument gives way to reality.
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    johnnycee Wrote: We separate children from their parents everyday in our Justice System when we sentence a parent or parents to jail time, so whats the difference with these illegals, they commit a crime , they go back. And again you resort to name calling when your argument gives way to reality.

    Um, not quite. Kids can actually visit their parents in jail.

    As for reality it is doubtful you are on a first name basis with the concept.

  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    lonely bird Wrote:
    johnnycee Wrote: We separate children from their parents everyday in our Justice System when we sentence a parent or parents to jail time, so whats the difference with these illegals, they commit a crime , they go back. And again you resort to name calling when your argument gives way to reality.

    Um, not quite. Kids can actually visit their parents in jail.

    As for reality it is doubtful you are on a first name basis with the concept.

    And the children of illegals can visit their parents anytime they want unlike the children of prisoners, which are scheduled and can be cancelled at anytime by the prison authorities, that is the reality, not some foreign concept of open borders make for a more secure nation.