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Trump did not want to be President.

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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    "Michael Moore: Trump does not want to be president"

    I totally agree. So what do we do now with a business manager that doesn't have a clue about how to be a politician. There are many theories about why he ran but the proof he didn't want to win is obvious.

    First: He told about when he told Melania he was going to run for president. She said if you run you will win. That sounds like a warning. Like are you sure you want to be president. Nothing was said about how great that will be for the country or the world.

    Second: His spending was very low and when it got down to the wire and Hillary was ahead there was no huge increase in spending trying to make up the difference.

    Third: He never really sounded or acted presidential to instill confidence in voters.

    Fourth: His actions are independently unilateral and seem more vindictive than political.

    Fifth: He had no business entering into Ivankas marketing problems.

    Sixth: His appointments are just like what anybody that wasn't a politician would do. Just picked names of upper echelon people seemingly at random.

    I have read multiple pieces saying they don't think he wanted to win. There must be meetings of politicians talking about what to do. It is too obvious to not be stirring up opposition.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Why would anyone run for President if they didn't want to be President?

    Donald wants to be President because he's a narcissistic psychopath who craves attention more than anything else in this world. Now he gets to slowly figure out that the office he now holds is bigger than any one person.

    Let's just hope some mean tweet sent his way doesn't start WWIII before he is either impeached or we vote him out.

  • Center Left
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    To a large degree I agree with your comments Chet. What a social / political / humanitarian side show. We are doomed to suffer through this mess as a poignant reminder that your vote counts and you should get off of your ass and do the right thing...... next time.

    He ran to show he's the best choice and in his mind the most popular. Actually playing government. No.

  • Independent
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    I guess the point is that the guy never even took the time to learn what is Presidential. He acts like an uneducated farmer; has no manners or etiquette. An typical example is the visit of the Japanese Prime Minister. He kind of "forced" him by holding his hand and patted on it with his other hand for at least 45 seconds. When I used to travel and did deals worldwide, my company instructed me about the cultures of those countries and the "do's" and "don'ts". Sorry but you don't shake an Japanese hand that way. It also showed when the Japanese was speaking that Trump looked very insecure and did not know how to stand "relaxed"; he looked more like an construction worker lost in space. I think the guy has an super huge inferiority complex and therefore does not know to give the right "body language". Absolutely, this idiot is not suited at all to be President; especially if he refuses to follow the customs and etiquette of foreign countries,who are not charmed by an "red neck" from the US.
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:

    Why would anyone run for President if they didn't want to be President?

    Donald wants to be President because he's a narcissistic psychopath who craves attention more than anything else in this world. Now he gets to slowly figure out that the office he now holds is bigger than any one person.

    Let's just hope some mean tweet sent his way doesn't start WWIII before he is either impeached or we vote him out.

    Yes Jared, absolutely correct; how was your "honeymoon"? Learned to speak Dutch on Aruba??
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Trump may have misjudged the enormous task of the presidency, but he wouldn't have undertaken the campaign if he didn't think he could win. Many of us have called him a buffoon -- I'm guilty of that. But buffoons do not win the presidency of the United States without a carefully crafted plan to win. Donald Trump plays to win. He has no time for losers.

    This election was less about critical thought on the issues of the day, and more about emotions. Donald Trump knows how to play to one's emotions and control the messaging...propaganda if you like. It's a page torn out of the play book of a certain despotic ruler of the last century.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    "Why would anyone run for President if they didn't want to be president?"
    Because he wanted something else ' to use the campaign to pressure NBC contract negotiations.
    Trump has a 30 year history of running for president for a short time. But he doesn't have a history of getting or wanting to get Americans good paying jobs.
    This is the sixth time Trump was running for President.
    How serious are the Trumps about the Presidency when his wife chooses to support their son instead of taking her place in the Whitehouse as first lady supporting the leader of the free world.
    "But none of this was a worry, as “Trump for President” was only a ruse that was going to last a few months."
    At the end of the campaign when the polls showed him losing he put 10 million dollars in and ended the campaign 6.7 million dollars in the black.
    " Donald Trump is a false-flag candidate. It’s all an act, one that benefits his good friend Hillary Clinton and the Democratic party that, until recently, counted the reality show star among its adherents."
    Obvious that nobody was happier than jaredsxtn that Trump was running. Almost everybody thought that Trump running guaranteed a Clinton victory.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Schmidt said:

    "But buffoons do not win the presidency of the United States without a carefully crafted plan to win. Donald Trump plays to win. He has no time for losers."

    Schmidt you are validating and giving credit to Trump for having planned a carefully crafted campaign. His campaign was a continuous insult to rationale sensitive compassionate people. More crafted to lose than win. But inspite of that he is now president and you are saying it was the result of a carefully crafted campaign?

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    imo, der ubergroppenfuhrer ran to see if he could win. he knew or was told what buttons to push on an emotional level and said button pushing worked in enough states to provide the electoral votes. (hey, al hamilton? your defense of the electoral college in federalist 68 turned out to be a sham.) he didn't and doesn't appear to have any actual plans or programs beyond sticking a bunch of re-warmed radical rw libertarian free marketers in place on the domestic front and engaging in a combination of isolationist from a trade standpoint and aggressive from a militarized standpoint foreign policy.

    2 years max and we will be engaged in more war despite his bullshit about opposing war. his so-called secret plans to get daesh will be a complete mess. more money wasted and a continuation of debt-and-spend republican policies designed to destroy government and create the consolidation state.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Trump is not a politician. He is a failure of doing away with the 98% top income tax bracket and a tax code that benefits the country.
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Trump may have misjudged the enormous task of the presidency, but he wouldn't have undertaken the campaign if he didn't think he could win. Many of us have called him a buffoon -- I'm guilty of that. But buffoons do not win the presidency of the United States without a carefully crafted plan to win. Donald Trump plays to win. He has no time for losers.

    This election was less about critical thought on the issues of the day, and more about emotions. Donald Trump knows how to play to one's emotions and control the messaging...propaganda if you like. It's a page torn out of the play book of a certain despotic ruler of the last century.

    Yes he and his cronies follow Mein Kampf closely; I'm amazed that people in this country don't realize how dangerous these distorted minds are for this country.
  • Independent
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    Good topic.... Trump ran for president largely as a self-promotion gimmick, never expecting, and never wanting to become president.

    From the start its been my perception that his goal was to promote himself in such a way that he got millions of new customers buying his products, staying at his hotels, playing golf on his golf courses.... He expected to loose, and wanted to loose, because by loosing he becomes a martyr of all that he claims is wrong. This allowed him to say anything he wanted during the campaign that would make him popular with millions of people would be loyal to him after the election.

    If Clinton had been elected, he could continue to attack her endlessly, say\tweet anything he wanted and never have to fullfill any campaign promises. He could claim he lost because the system is corrupt, the media is corrupt, etc, etc, etc. He would not have to prove anything that he says is true. By loosing he could remain in the spotlight in such a way that he had a lot more control, but not have take action.

    Trump is a sales guy and promoter, once the deal is done, he hands everything over to others to handle the details. He's the front man, not the guy who runs the show day to day.

  • Center Left
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    Welcome. I hope you enjoy it here.

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  • Liberal
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    wwjd Wrote:

    Good topic.... Trump ran for president largely as a self-promotion gimmick, never expecting, and never wanting to become president.

    From the start its been my perception that his goal was to promote himself in such a way that he got millions of new customers buying his products, staying at his hotels, playing golf on his golf courses.... He expected to loose, and wanted to loose, because by loosing he becomes a martyr of all that he claims is wrong. This allowed him to say anything he wanted during the campaign that would make him popular with millions of people would be loyal to him after the election.

    If Clinton had been elected, he could continue to attack her endlessly, say\tweet anything he wanted and never have to fullfill any campaign promises. He could claim he lost because the system is corrupt, the media is corrupt, etc, etc, etc. He would not have to prove anything that he says is true. By loosing he could remain in the spotlight in such a way that he had a lot more control, but not have take action.

    Trump is a sales guy and promoter, once the deal is done, he hands everything over to others to handle the details. He's the front man, not the guy to runs the show.

    Excellent comment! I agree 100%. I don't believe anyone in the country was more shocked and upset that Trumpy won than Trumpy himself!
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    I think there is a 85% chance Trump will resign before the end of presidency . If he does not resign, i think there is 99.99% chance that after 3 years he will announce he will not run again.

    My evaluation is primarily based on having watched his carreer since the 80s. He loves being, more-or-less, a Frank Santra personality in the business world. The guy that is at the center of every activity\event\etc. If he can't be the primary focus of admiration\love, then he does not truly enjoy those activities and avoids them unless there is some short\long term goal that serves his interest. During the campaign, he thrived at the rallies. This has worked for him as a private citizen and made him very rich (although not as rich as he claims).

    As I commented previously, I don't believe he truly thought he would beat Hillary Clinton, thus he would not have to give up his lifestyle, and by loosing the election, it would have left him in a better position to continue his promotion of the Trump brand around the world, making deals, and a being pop culture celebrity wherever he goes.

    If he does resign, a good chance he'll announce its because of "personal and health reasons". He may resign simply because he doesn't want to be president anymore and\or be pressured out for political reasons that he wants left alone. Imagine what would happened if his full taxes returns for the past few years were leaked, there is a high probability that there are some questionable business dealings that he could not explain away.