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The Flynn effect

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  • Independent
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    It remains to be seen if this is Trump's version of Iran-contra, and Flynn is Oliver North.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Yes it is happening. The dam has sprung a leak and the flow is getting bigger. Not enough fingers to plug the hole. Trump may not last the First 100 Days.
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    It would have to be pretty big for him to exit so quickly, but I agree it is possible largely because I don't think he wants to be president (deep down), and if he is given clean\easy way out, he'll take it. If the tapes of the calls has Flynn saying something like "I've been directed by President-elect Trump to say.....", Trump will be in a mess he simply does not want to fight. He can exit saying he won the election, the system is corrupt, the media lies, etc,

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    Schmidt Wrote: Yes it is happening. The dam has sprung a leak and the flow is getting bigger. Not enough fingers to plug the hole. Trump may not last the First 100 Days.
    Yes I hope so; however if we then get Pence, the shit will continue or get even worse. Thus I hope the whole crooked religious bunch gets hit by lightning.
  • Center Left
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    I will take Pence because it's one at a time. Remove bad people and let circumstances lessen the totals. Health, or other actions can remove offensive characters as well.

    This story suggests that Russian military is breaking a treaty regarding ground based cruise missiles. Vladimir has big plans that would shock most.

    ifyouonlynews.com/world/russia-deploys-...

  • Independent
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    Starting with Trump's campaign to become president, Trump has surrounded himself with people who are on the fringe of politics because of their extreme views and intolerance with mainstream politics. I don't think its much of a surprise that one or more of them goes outside the boundaries to do what they feel is necessary. I have to wonder how much Trump gives these guys indirect approval to get the job done by any means they deem necessary, and like the old TV series Mission Impossible, if caught they are on their own because they've never received any direct orders nor never had any specific conversations; its simply understood what is expected in terms of bottom line results, not the details of how objectives are accomplished. And as President, he may not want to know any of the details because that would imply he was involved in doing something that involved methods that can not be officially authorized. In business it all comes down to: "Has the goal been achieved?". Its a simple yes\no conversation, not a debriefing that includes information the president needs to be able to deny.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    wwjd -- Yes, Trump has no interest in the finer points of governing. Here's what Paul Manafort said in an interview with Howard Fineman in May 2016:

    Yesterday, Manafort sat down with the Huffington Post’s Howard Fineman for a fairly long interview, and while the two covered quite a bit of ground, there was one exchange in particular that stood out for me.

    "The vice presidential pick will also be part of the process of proving he’s ready for the White House, Manafort said.

    “He needs an experienced person to do the part of the job he doesn’t want to do. He seems himself more as the chairman of the board, than even the CEO, let alone the COO.”

    This is no small acknowledgement. For months, it’s been clear that Trump has no meaningful understanding of public policy or even how government works at a basic level. By any fair measure, his ignorance and incompetence about affairs of state is unlike anything Americans have ever seen in a major-party presidential candidate. The question has long been when we can expect Trump to get up to speed.

    That is the way he sees himself...a Chairman of the Board above the day-to-day grind. Delegate everything to his cabinet and advisors. Be the figure head of the country setting major policy goals and let everyone else figure out how to do them.

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    If anyone actually believes that Flynn was not taking direct orders from Trump when he called the Russians about those sanctions then this individual needs a brain transplant.
  • Center Left
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    Thumbs up Connie. Agreed.
  • Independent
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    progressiveconnie Wrote: If anyone actually believes that Flynn was not taking direct orders from Trump when he called the Russians about those sanctions then this individual needs a brain transplant.

    I remain uncertain how much is intentional on Trumps part (smart, calculating,etc) vs how much is bumbling his way through things with emotional\irrational decisions and\or handing over too much decision making to people who are not qualified. Or maybe staff within administration are taking advantage of the chaos to do what they want knowing that Trump is out of league when it comes to effective politics.

    In business, its not uncommon for a great COO, or CFO to be promoted to CEO, and then fail because his skills that make him so great don't translate into being a good CEO.

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    Schmidt Wrote:

    “He needs an experienced person to do the part of the job he doesn’t want to do. He seems himself more as the chairman of the board, than even the CEO, let alone the COO.”

    Yes, this is a good description of how I perceive Trump as a business man. He loves being high profile, and be the #1 influence in decisions, but does not want to be involved in the day-to-day details.

    Its my loose understanding that the "Trump" business is primarily a Brand\franchise, and investors put the Trump brand on products, buildings, golf courses, etc. Trump does not truly own everything with his name on it, but may own some (small) percentage of it. The public perception is he owns all it.

  • Center Left
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    Plausible deniability with good spin doctors, etc. Doesn't imply anything except that they're receiving good advice. As was suggested previously, they are orchestrating much but acting like they're blind deaf and dumb. Much more to flow from the leak. I like that person ('s).

  • Independent
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    On the news Trump wants now to revamp the whole intelligence group; guess why?? Sure he wants people there who don't investigate him. Looks like "kindergarten" play time.
  • Independent
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    Speculating. One possible scenario.

    Maybe Flynn was forced to resign because he did nothing more than lie to the vice president; the president knew about it and planned to simply let it go without saying anything to Pence. From Trump's business experience, its not uncommon for staff to lie\BS to each other, so its no big deal as long as they are not deceptive with him.

    Next, insider info is leaked to the media and Pence figures out he has been lied to by Flynn. He confronts Trump asking him what's going on, Trump throws Pence a sale pitch of BS, but Pence doesn't buy any of it. Pence informs the President that he can't work with Flynn going forward and let the president know he'll resign with 24 hours if Flynn remains with Administration.

    Bottom line, Trump would prefer to keep Flynn and let go Pence, Trump but is smart enough to understand the impact it would have if the vice President resigned after 30 days, plus making public everything that happened, and how the administration was keeping him out of the loop.

    Flynn, the loyal soldier, takes the bullet... And who knows, may asked to come back later in a different position that does not have any connection with the VP.