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Trump's "wall"

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  • Center Left
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    According to this story, the awful and expensive wall is likely to cost well over 15 billion. If Trump has any involvement in supplying companies it will probably be many times 15. Here's the latest.

    truthexaminer.com/2017/02/homeland-secu...

  • Independent
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    Tony, I think it will cost more than double that amount. The main reason is the "terrain" and getting workers who want to work there and stay in trailers at the job site. Also getting all the equipment there as well building materials. Especially don't forget "protection" day and night. Furthermore as soon as one piece is built the "ready piece" will attacked or damaged from the Mexican side or tunneled under. Then "the weather" the river will go beyond its banks and undermine the "wall"

    Logistics will be an disaster anyway you look at it. Just one big question: Have you ever seen an Government project which was on "budget" and in "time"??

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Take 30 billion and build modern steel mills. There are multiple avenues to benefit humanity instead of a wall that will only foster hate and discontent. Trouble with too much money is it creates paranoia.
  • Center Left
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    Agreed. Nothing ever costs what it's supposed to. Especially if tax payers (American not Mexican) are paying the bill.
  • Independent
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    T.J. If the tax paying people fall for this, then this country is even more stupid then I ever thought. I bet now already that halfway they will be over budget and the people here will not complain about it. Also I bet that the drug traffic will continue as usual; they are very inventive; let alone "people" who will continue to enter via other ways than land.
  • Democrat
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    Spending 50 billion of taxpayers dollars on this insane wall while the country literally falls apart is just plain stupid and another candidate for the Ignoramus of the year award!
  • Independent
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    Another funny thing which makes this "wall" obsolete is that they found an huge catapult on the Mexican side of the border with which they launched kilo's of drugs into the US. Furthermore they are also using drones now to drop the merchandise. Thus don't worry no shortage of "weed" or the stronger stuff in the near future.

    I guess if Trump keeps spending millions on his outings to his "palaces" then there won't be any money left for the "wall"

    Just kidding.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    According to the DHS, they can only come up with $20 million of funds that can be "re-directed" to the $21 billion project. That would only be enough to cover contracts for wall prototypes, but not near enough to begin construction of the wall. For actual construction to begin, Congress will need to appropriate funds...or Mexico will have to find ways to pay for it. Sad!

    Oh and then there is this video of a Mexican congressman who climbed atop the border fence to illustrate that Trump's wall is 'totally absurd'.

    Mexican Lawmaker Climbs Border Fence to Show That a Wall is ‘Absurd’

    He is mocking Trump...

  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    According to the DHS, they can only come up with $20 million of funds that can be "re-directed" to the $21 billion project. That would only be enough to cover contracts for wall prototypes, but not near enough to begin construction of the wall. For actual construction to begin, Congress will need to appropriate funds...or Mexico will have to find ways to pay for it. Sad!

    Oh and then there is this video of a Mexican congressman who climbed atop the border fence to illustrate that Trump's wall is 'totally absurd'.

    Mexican Lawmaker Climbs Border Fence to Show That a Wall is ‘Absurd’

    He is mocking Trump...

    Don't worry Schmidt; the only thing the "wall' will do is keep the coyote's out. Drugs and people will flow back and forth the same as now. But yeah as soon as Trump is kicked out, he can write an book about it and can make some more money.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    We have discussed the logistical, legal and monetary problems of building the "Trump Wall" at times. This Washington Post article digs deeper into the logistical and legal problems.

    Washington Post, January 25, 2017: 5 challenges Trump may face building a border wall

    Rough terrain: While most of the current border fence exists west of El Paso, Tex. in relatively easy terrain, going east in the other direction the border switches from relatively straight lines to the winding path of the Rio Grande cutting through the mountains of Big Bend National Park..

    Texas landowner lawsuits: Much of the wall in New Mexico and Arizona is on public lands. Not so for Texas where most land along the river is privately owned. Forcing eminent domain on Texas cattle ranchers will result in hundreds of lawsuits based on previous experience in building fences.

    Meandering River: The Rio Grande river has meandered its course over time resulting in placing the border fence far from the actual river. Some Americans actually live on the Mexican side of the border fence. An example is the River Bend Resort in the photo of the article. Will the government buy out some 200 houses in that resort to build that fence/wall?

    Problems with Surveillance: Janet Napolitano famously remarked, “You show me a 50-foot wall, and I’ll show you a 51-foot ladder.” Cameras and sensors can help with surveillance but previous technical problems with building a virtual fence were insurmountable and the project was scrapped.

    Migrants are determined: The number of migrants and refugees crossing the border fleeing war, corruption and murder in their home countries of El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras has overwhelmed border agents. UNHCR reports that asylum seekers have increased fivefold since 2012. Apprehensions of unaccompanied children have doubled in the past three years. Those migrants declaring themselves to be refugees enter into a different legal system than those who are simple illegal immigrants seeking work. However, that's a subject for a different thread.

  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    We have discussed the logistical, legal and monetary problems of building the "Trump Wall" at times. This Washington Post article digs deeper into the logistical and legal problems.

    Washington Post, January 25, 2017: 5 challenges Trump may face building a border wall

    Rough terrain: While most of the current border fence exists west of El Paso, Tex. in relatively easy terrain, going east in the other direction the border switches from relatively straight lines to the winding path of the Rio Grande cutting through the mountains of Big Bend National Park..

    Texas landowner lawsuits: Much of the wall in New Mexico and Arizona is on public lands. Not so for Texas where most land along the river is privately owned. Forcing eminent domain on Texas cattle ranchers will result in hundreds of lawsuits based on previous experience in building fences.

    Meandering River: The Rio Grande river has meandered its course over time resulting in placing the border fence far from the actual river. Some Americans actually live on the Mexican side of the border fence. An example is the River Bend Resort in the photo of the article. Will the government buy out some 200 houses in that resort to build that fence/wall?

    Problems with Surveillance: Janet Napolitano famously remarked, “You show me a 50-foot wall, and I’ll show you a 51-foot ladder.” Cameras and sensors can help with surveillance but previous technical problems with building a virtual fence were insurmountable and the project was scrapped.

    Migrants are determined: The number of migrants and refugees crossing the border fleeing war, corruption and murder in their home countries of El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras has overwhelmed border agents. UNHCR reports that asylum seekers have increased fivefold since 2012. Apprehensions of unaccompanied children have doubled in the past three years. Those migrants declaring themselves to be refugees enter into a different legal system than those who are simple illegal immigrants seeking work. However, that's a subject for a different thread.

    One item is forgotten; the "survey"; no one knows exactly where the border is; especially maps of the 1800's did not have the exact coordinates. There may be some "markers" but "straight" lines between the markers are sometimes difficult because of the terrain. Also the markers could have been moved either by "nature" or "humans". Thus there could be an fight if it is an couple of yards more south or north. Thus these things could end up in court delaying the project.