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Trump's "wall"

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  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    He wants the "wall" . I wonder about an lot about the "cost". First of all who provides the "budget", who calculates that "budget". Second cost "overruns" who pays that? Third weather and terrain conditions affecting cost. Fourth who stops Mexicans to blow an hole in it? Fifth how about people coming in via other means; sea, air, ladders, ropes etc.

    All of this must be an huge joke!!! Certainly Mexico is not going to pay for it!! Of course he will find via all kind of lies and ways to get "budgets" from somewhere else, like stopping the EPA budget etc.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    The concept of the wall is based on hate as Trump at the beginning of his campaign talked about Mexican illegals murdering and raping good white Americans. At his signing ceremony today he had an audience of his usual props cheering his speech. However, what really made me cringe was having several family members of victims of murder by illegals present in the front row (I suppose super props). Trump called out their names slowly in a somber tone one by one citing how they died...like they were war heroes. There was clapping after each one while we paused to remember how they died. Kind of eerie.

    I suggest calling it Trump's Wall of Hate to acknowledge why he proposed it in the first place.

  • Democrat
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    Does not a country have a responsibility to it's citizens to protect it's borders and does a country have the right to limit the number of immigrants it allows to enter it's country?
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    johnnycee Wrote: Does not a country have a responsibility to it's citizens to protect it's borders and does a country have the right to limit the number of immigrants it allows to enter it's country?

    This is a country of immigrants. There's no such thing as an American because we all come from some other land. The only true American is a Native American and we all know how they wound up after our ancestors decided to exterminate them.

    And I also encourage you to study up on the Great Wall of China. Ask China how that wall worked out for them when Genghis Khan's forces invaded.

    The only thing Donald's wall will do is pad the profits of ladder builders in Mexico.


    Oh - and the vast majority of undocumented immigrants in America have flown in and overstayed their visas. Just a little fact for you to think about when cheer leading for the American taxpayer to spend billions of dollars on something we don't need.

  • Democrat
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    Again I ask does a country have a duty/ obligation to protect it's citizens from illegal immigrants and does the country have the right to place limits on the number or type of immigrants that they do allow in?
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    It didn't work in the 30's as the Maginot Line so what delusion is going to make it work now?
  • Liberal Democrat
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    MSN.com: Trump wants to build a wall, but finding workers won't be easy

    President Donald Trump’s proposed border wall faces many obstacles. One of the tallest: building it without undocumented workers.

    A labor shortage has left few hands to build houses and factories in the region, where wages have already been rising and projects delayed. Now, the president’s plan for “immediate construction of a border wall” will force the government to find legal builders for a project that could employ thousands if not tens of thousands. About half of construction workers in Texas are undocumented, and nationwide 14 percent lack authorization for employment in the U.S., according to the Workers Defense Project, an Austin group that advocates for undocumented laborers.

    “If he is going to build a wall with legal workers in Texas, he is going to have a very hard time,” said Stan Marek, chief executive officer of Marek Brothers, a Houston commercial builder. “There is a real shortage of legal labor.”

    As we are finding out in other sectors of the economy, labor shortages are affecting our ability to grow the economy. The 11 million undocumented workers in this country are playing a vital role. If they are deported in a big way, Donald Trump and the rest of the nation will suffer. If he employs undocumented workers to build the wall, he will lose face with the most ardent of his supporters.

    So what's the solution? There certainly are unemployed workers in other parts of the country, but many of them cannot migrate or will not migrate at the wages that might be offered. The unskilled ones that do migrate will need to be trained and that costs money and time. Offer higher wages as an incentive and the cost of the wall goes up.

    The whole concept of the wall was not thought out with critical thinking. It was born of hate and haters make some very stupid decisions. It remains to be seen if Congress will enable that stupidity.

  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    I saw a clip, where the Mexican President gave an strong message to Trump, that Mexico is not going to pay one penny for that "wall". In the text also the word "idiota" was mentioned. He likely will cancel his visit to Trump.

    I wonder if Trump and idiot Ryan ever studied who is jumping over the border the Mexicans are in the minority; most are from other South and Middle American countries who are poor or have economic problems. Thus why saddle Mexico up with paying for it?? It is time that Trump goes back to school.

  • Democrat
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    Still waiting for an answer to my question, if there are other alternatives other than a wall to prevent people from illegally entering a country.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    johnnycee Wrote: Still waiting for an answer to my question, if there are other alternatives other than a wall to prevent people from illegally entering a country.

    No one answered your question because it's yet another red herring that you so often like to use.

    There are countless ways to control immigration that don't include a wall. They are a hell of a lot more effective and cheaper than building a physical barrier in the age of air travel.

    And you didn't respond to the fact that the vast majority of undocumented immigrants didn't arrive here by crossing the southern border by foot or car - they came here by flying in and overstaying their visa's. Oh, and net immigration from the southern border is at zero.


    Donald and his supporters should just come out and say it - they don't like people that don't look like them and want to blame them for all of their problems.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Schmidt Wrote: The whole concept of the wall was not thought out with critical thinking. It was born of hate and haters make some very stupid decisions. It remains to be seen if Congress will enable that stupidity.

    Exactly.

    It has nothing to do with controlling immigration because immigration at the southern border is at net zero. It has everything to do with rural white people being angry that they lost their job and needing a boogeyman.

    These will be the same people who throw a hissy fit when the price of their produce and countless other items of necessity skyrocket after all the undocumented immigrants are kicked out.

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    Independent
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    The real bad individuals are the wealthy who get filthy rich while walking on workers and well placed politicians who carpet the pathway. Sadly many are white so - well you can't hate a rich white man.
  • Democrat
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    So do you agree that a country does have an obligation and a duty to control /limit their immigration policies, and how is it a red herring when all I am asking is an alternative to a wall, if you agree then the discussion will revolve around a method, and it's not about Mexicans ,or any other immigrant, but a method of maintaining one's borders.

  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    J.C. you are talking as any Republican; just like Jared says it is no problem. The problem was created by Trump to score with the "deplorables" in Ohio, Michigan, and rust belts, claiming that their jobs were taken by "immigrants" so they would vote for him. Thus stop your B.S. it is solely "political"; he won because of this crap he put forward.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Choosing between building a wall and a hydroelectric producing dam should be the discussion in front of the country.