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The complexity of the Government is not realized by Trump

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  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    Since I was an participant of the Washington living environment and had my dealings with the Government, then you get to know how it works. However to "change" anything down there that is not an easy job. First of all you have hundreds of thousands workers in all kind op positions. For instance if Trump wants something it has to go to through an lot of steps from meetings etc. and advise all the departments related to it. Often that will end up in (for instance) 600 pages documents or more etc. and sometimes takes years to get done. When I wanted to sell planes to the Coast Guard it took month after month before they decided on anything and created mountains of paperwork. I had to stay up nights to reply on all their issues etc. So I have the impression that Trump has no clue on how complicated this government is to get anything done; it is an huge paper shuffling industry; which not one person can dictate. Once he gets documents on his desk, he likely has no clue what it all means unless you have an hoard of lawyers who explain; even then he would not understand, because he himself is not an lawyer and have others do deal with this in his (past?) job. I guess he won't have the time for it either, because he has to tend all his building business, because he does not trust even his sons with it, because of his ego.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Colorado Springs, CO
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    Yes Dutch -- Government bureaucracy is a problem, but it certainly is not unique to the USA. Living in London and working with the UK, I found their bureaucracy a major pain in the ass. However, you hire people who know people and things get done.

    Trump being an outsider will have to rely on Pence for his day-to-day advice on how to get things done. Hence, we might expect a "Pence presidency" much the same as we had a Dick Cheney presidency with Dubya.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Pensacola, FL
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    Trump runs his business like a despot. He will be dealing with a lot of civil service and elected individuals. They are isolated from despotism and Trump will be running into a lot of brick walls. The same conditions Dutch described will be applicable to Trump.
  • Liberal
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    Durham, NH
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    Trumpie will tire of the office in quick time, unfortunately that leaves us with Pence who in many ways is someone to really be afraid of. At least Trumpie is someone who really doesn't think or care about anyone or anything other than himself. Wait till his followers discover he doesn't really give a damn about immigration, in fact, just the opposite, free trade, religion, LGBT right, gay marriage, abortion, etc, etc. these are all nothing but catch terms he and the Repubs use to draw in the uninformed yokels. If anything Trumpie and the rest of them want, it's more illegals and free trade as that's what runs their businesses.
  • Independent
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    He doesn't need to understand it. His goal is not to govern, it is to delegate as he stated. He wants the glitz and the glamor while Pence will do the work. That Trump doesn't really care what Pence would do is self-evident. As long as Pence says the right things in public and to the Donald all will be right in trump's world. Oh, sure there are some things Trump will attend to like appointing pro-life judges. Not because he is pro-life but because he understands the calculus 4 years from now. Previous rwnj politicians would make proper noise at the pharisaical right and then turn back to their corporate masters. Trump IS a corporate master or at least plays one in today's skewed reality. Thus he acts automatically in the corporate interest and can afford to act at least somewhat in the pharisaical right's interest.

    the question is what will "we the people"( being stupid) tolerate, for how long and how can the Democratic Party work to exacerbate the negative impact of Trump on the very groups that supported him when the next election comes. 2018 must be where Trump is made an example of, publicly, and to his everlasting political destruction and humiliation. Is the Democratic Party up to the challenge? No more of this "the voters want to hear issues" crap. The voters want red meat. Give it to them.

  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Yes Dutch -- Government bureaucracy is a problem, but it certainly is not unique to the USA. Living in London and working with the UK, I found their bureaucracy a major pain in the ass. However, you hire people who know people and things get done.

    Trump being an outsider will have to rely on Pence for his day-to-day advice on how to get things done. Hence, we might expect a "Pence presidency" much the same as we had a Dick Cheney presidency with Dubya.

    Schmidt, I'm amazed it has been so quiet about what happens with his own business. I wonder if he will accept others or family running it without his oversight. Also if he has buildings , hotels, casino's outside the country, how do you prove that certain income/dealings are not politically motivated or corrupt to hoard his money etc. I think that he will ask for an "personal server" to control all of that; thus put him in jail instead of Hillary Ha ha Personally I think this issue is totally overlooked and could be the cause of impeachment, let's hope so.

    About the "Pence" thing, my feeling is that that guy will be snowed under in no time. As well don't forget the Steve Dannon, Guiliana, Ginrich etc. they want their agenda's as well and may use Pence as a patsy. So I think the "in" fighting will start day one. Dannon will be the "Cheney" guy.