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Jill Stein's fairy tale candidacy

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  • Liberal Democrat
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    Washington Post, August 25, 2016: Jill Stein’s fairy-tale candidacy

    Dr. Jill Stein sat down with the Washington Post editorial board to discuss her policy ideas, principally climate change initiatives, but also other areas like heath care and foreign policy. The WP editorial board was not impressed:

    "Ms. Stein’s policy ideas are poorly formed and wildly impractical. Her “activist” approach, she said, involves building “broad coalitions,” but she criticized Hillary Clinton for reaching out to Republicans. She proposes to end all use of coal, oil, gasoline and nuclear power by 2030, guaranteeing a federal job to anyone who wants one along the way, and says she can accomplish this revolution for $500 billion — less than the cost of President Obama’s 2009 stimulus. Even this trifle would be recouped in health savings, she said, as her “Green New Deal” reduced the incidence of asthma, diabetes and other illnesses.

    "There would no doubt be health benefits. But Ms. Stein is nevertheless spinning up a fairy tale — an appealing fairy tale to some, but still a fairy tale. To support the feasibility of her plan, Ms. Stein cited experts whose models in fact envision an energy transition taking decades longer than she posits. To support her health prognostication, she improbably cited Cuba’s experience losing access to Russian oil after the fall of the Soviet Union, after which, she pointed out, Cubans became healthier. In fact, they became healthier because they could no longer afford to smoke or drink alcohol and because so many involuntarily lost weight.

    On foreign policy, Ms. Stein expressed agreement with her running mate, Ajamu Baraka, who is highly critical of the US foreign policy -- the “unimaginable atrocities fomented by a demented and dying U.S. empire .?.?. and the gangster states of NATO."

    However, what is puzzling for a Green Party candidate is that she argues that with respect to global warming the country would be no better off electing Hillary Clinton than Donald Trump, who has said that global warming is a hoax invented by the Chinese. Really! Jill Stein believes that Clinton and Trump's views and policies on global warming are no different?

    The question is: Is she a true Green Party advocate on climate change or simply using the Green Party to advance her own extreme leftist agenda?

    On taking the job as president, she said, “I don’t believe that it is rocket science.” I think that statement says a lot about the mind of Jill Stein.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    The majority of my customers over the years have been doctors. They usually don't have a grasp of reality . They are bathed in gratitude and adoration. Jill Stein is the perfect example. She will improve conditions around her while the world is falling apart around that.
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    Jill Stein is as much a naive fool as Gary Johnson. Neither candidacy is based in reality. While certain parts of their belief structures have validity as an overall basis for running the country they fall completely and utterly short in catastrophic fashion.
  • Center Left
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    I agree lonely bird. If both alternative candidates get a total of 8% of votes, I'll be shocked. I see Johnson getting 3 - 5 % and Stein 1 - 2 % but, I could be wrong. Many don't like the circus on the main stage. I think the alternative vote is equated to throwing a vote away which in my opinion it is.
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: The majority of my customers over the years have been doctors. They usually don't have a grasp of reality . They are bathed in gratitude and adoration. Jill Stein is the perfect example. She will improve conditions around her while the world is falling apart around that.
    Chet, how can you say that; Trump has an "doctor" as his adviser ( Carson the "baby "splitter) He's also "holier" than shit; thus when he operates, the "souls" are flying around his head; but the poor baby "soul's" did not receive data yet where to "fly" to; thus he keeps them in his office.
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    Washington Post: A transcript of Jill Stein’s meeting with The Washington Post editorial board

    Getting back on topic, I read the full transcript of Jill Stein's meeting with the WP Editorial board. While the WP highlighted some key points out of the interview in their article, there is more to learn about Jill Stein if you read the full transcript.

    First I will say, Jill Stein articulates her positions quite well. No TrumpSpeak or PalinSpeak. She is educated and knowledgeable on her key hot button issues, although perhaps very idealistic and naïve about the reality of being able to accomplish any of her proposals if she was elected.

    She is highly critical of both the Democratic Party and the Republican Party. In fact she sees and refers to them as one: the "Demo-Republican Corporate Party". She is highly critical of both President Obama and Hillary Clinton and doesn't attempt to differentiate from Donald Trump. Obama and Clinton fall way short on her "purity tests scale", particularly when it comes to Climate Change and fossil fuels.

    Her VP running mate, Ajamu Baraka, calls President Obama an "Uncle Tom", and NATO, the "gangsta states".

    She calls the Paris Accord a "not effective agreement" and faults the Obama administration: "Unfortunately, one of the big impediments to that accord was the behavior of the U.S. administration, in helping to undermine that accord."

    However, as the WP staff pointed out, that accord was years in the making.

    Undeterred by the enormous task, she says she would "move to work with the international community to basically override that accord, and create a much more effective document that could actually stop climate change because it won’t do that now." Her new agreement would have us move to 100 percent clean energy by 2030 (14 years from now) including a phase out of all nuclear energy. Furthermore she would do it at a cost of $500 billion. And that $500 billion includes the cost of a Job Guarantee but not a housing guarantee for all citizens.

    She also proposes a $1.3 trillion bail out of student debt saying if we can bail out Wall Street we can bail out students.

    Stein is absolutely sincere in her beliefs. However, it's just that the WP found her propels too idealistic and not reality based. That's why they called it a "fairy-tail".

    I think that many of Jill Stein's ideas are commendable, but have next to zero chance of ever being implemented. My main problem with Jill Stein is not her proposals but the fact that she can see no middle ground. If someone like Obama or Clinton do not agree or are in accord with her worldviews she condemns them. There is no room for compromises in her worldview. She applies purity tests to everyone, but fails to recognize the good that Hillary Clinton or President Obama has done. You are either with her or you are the "enemy". Her whole campaign is about blasting Hillary Clinton and now she's campaigning in battleground states like Ohio to hopefully be a spoiler...like Ralph Nader in Florida in 2000.

    If she can take 2 or 3 percent away from Hillary in Ohio causing Trump to win that state, it would be a victory for her. Ditto for Florida. Both of those state are real close now.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    "Her new agreement would have us move to 100 percent clean energy by 2030 (14 years from now) including a phase out of all nuclear energy. Furthermore she would do it at a cost of $500 billion. And that $500 billion includes the cost of a Job Guarantee but not a housing guarantee for all citizens."

    I've heard trump speak, I know trump speak. Sir this is Trump speak.

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    There is a reason these two are not main stream candidates and never shall be. But, then again, neither is Trumpy and look where he is today!

    There is a big difference between wishful thinking and reality and both these candidates are living in fairyland no matter how genuine and honest they may be.

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    Jill Stein speaks the truth and since the truth doesn't seem to appeal to you perhaps you'd be more at home joining those bubblebrained baboons at Fox News.
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    Connie Wrote: Jill Stein speaks the truth and since the truth doesn't seem to appeal to you perhaps you'd be more at home joining those bubblebrained baboons at Fox News.
    Connie, you should know by now that speaking the truth does not get an audience; B.S sells.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Connie -- Jill Stein got 0.36 percent of the popular vote in her Presidential run in 2012. My guy, Barack Obama got 51.2 percent. That's because her proposals are out in La La Land with zero chance of ever being achieved.

    Stein is doing a bit better in the polling this time around offering free stuff to everyone. But have you noticed Jill Stein's talking points against Hillary? They sound like they are straight out of Fox News. So who is watching Fox News?

    The Hillary Clinton haters like Jill Stein just repeat all the Trump and Fox News talking points. Very few of them have done their homework on any of Hillary Clinton's proposals. At least Bernie Sanders is backing Hillary. Kudos to him.

    Hillary Clinton will make an outstanding president. Join her real team instead of a fairy tale campaign.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Connie -- I forgot to ask you. Do you believe in compromise? Can Congress and the president make progress on progressive issues without compromises?
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    Connie Wrote: Jill Stein speaks the truth and since the truth doesn't seem to appeal to you perhaps you'd be more at home joining those bubblebrained baboons at Fox News.
    no, jill stein speaks what she believes (as do you) to be the truth. while i agree with some of what she says she has no more chance of being elected than i do. that is not her fault or at least no completely her fault. "we the people" being stupid are uninterested in change despite clamoring for it. the reason they are uninterested is that change is discomforting. it is upsetting and unsettling. basically they want change without the pain and so cans get kicked down the road. and it doesn't matter whether or not some several thousand people campaign for jill stein because there are millions of people who do not care because they do not want the pain. and btw how does jill stein expect to pay for her programs? that applies to every candidate so i wouldn't expect a straight answer from her or any other candidate because that payment implies pain again, pain that rw memes have convinced far too many people to aggressively shy away from.
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    Schmidt Wrote: Connie -- I forgot to ask you. Do you believe in compromise? Can Congress and the president make progress on progressive issues without compromises?
    Schmidt, If compromise worked we wouldn't be where we are today . There was no compromise for CFMA because it benefits the upper class. The upper class is most of our elected officials. The only compromising comes when it concerns lower class legislation.
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    New York Times, November 9, 2000: THE 2000 ELECTIONS: THE GREEN PARTY; Angry Democrats, Fearing Nader Cost Them Presidential Race, Threaten to Retaliate

    Regardless of the outcome, they said, Mr. Nader's once-stellar reputation among liberals has been permanently tarnished, his ability to raise money and to work with Democrats forever damaged.

    ''His standing has been severely diminished by his actions,'' said Amy Isaacs, national director of Americans for Democratic Action. ''People basically view him as having been on a narcissistic, self-serving, Sancho Panza, windmill-tilting excursion.''

    Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr. of Delaware, echoing the sentiments of several other Democrats on Capitol Hill, said: ''Ralph Nader is not going to be welcome anywhere near the corridors. Nader cost us the election.''

    Other Democrats argued that if Mr. Bush won the election, Mr. Nader should be held responsible for jeopardizing the well-being of gays and lesbians, minorities and the poor, women and organized labor.

    ''Because of him and his activities, there is a possibility that the people we represent can be harmed, can be hurt, that our agenda that we fought for may not take place,'' said Gerald McEntee, president of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees and chairman of the A.F.L.-C.I.O.'s political committee.

    Jill Stein is following the path that Ralph Nader blazed in 2000. His goal: stop Al Gore. Her goal: stop Hillary Clinton. Both live in their own self serving worlds. It's all about them and not the country.