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Does anybody owe you a living?

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  • Center Left
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:
    johnnycee Wrote: This election will not be won by a populist vote,but by the Electoral College.
    Notable prediction from before the election.
    Indeed. News flash. It will be the same in 2020. Mr Perez, you had better Google maps about 36 states that don't like you. You can instead continue to lose overwhelmingly and feel like the smartest guy in the room despite it.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: "Does anybody owe you a living" and "Right to work" are phrases and wording tossed around by the right. The bigger question is: " Does anybody have the right to deny you a living?" The stock market and big money have successfully diverted significant money from jobs producing ventures into pure speculative gambling. Conditions that are atrocious caused by big money greed and right wing selfishness are a 1.2 Trillion Dollar Student Loan Liability and a totally unfair low class healthcare system. Seems like the right is denying a living in every sense? It is easy to blame the voters for lack of participation but I haven't seen ant politicians calling attention to the short comings. Getting people to vote is difficult but that is no excuse to quit trying.

    One thing is for sure Chet, if a person is out of work, and if they're lucky enough to have an interview for a new job, be sure that you take off the bumper sticker from your car before arriving for the interview, no matter whose bumper sticker you have, make sure you remove it.

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    Minsky did not support welfare. Instead he called for government to be the employer of last resort.

    deregulation of capitalism kills capitalism. Since capitalism requires expansion, permanent expansion, into new markets it must needs run up again finite space and resources. Also interest, return and profit are claims on future growth. However growth again is finite due to finite space and resources. Until and unless man is able to leave the planet at some point in the future the end result must be social upheaval. During our lifetime? Unlikely. Within 100-200 years? Far more likely. Capitalism is a zero-sum game in terms of winners and losers. Rigidity of social mobility locks this in more strongly. Not everyone can be in the top quintile. There must be movement downward as well as upward. Locking out upward mobility is inherently dangerous.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    lonely bird Wrote:

    Minsky did not support welfare. Instead he called for government to be the employer of last resort.

    deregulation of capitalism kills capitalism. Since capitalism requires expansion, permanent expansion, into new markets it must needs run up again finite space and resources. Also interest, return and profit are claims on future growth. However growth again is finite due to finite space and resources. Until and unless man is able to leave the planet at some point in the future the end result must be social upheaval. During our lifetime? Unlikely. Within 100-200 years? Far more likely. Capitalism is a zero-sum game in terms of winners and losers. Rigidity of social mobility locks this in more strongly. Not everyone can be in the top quintile. There must be movement downward as well as upward. Locking out upward mobility is inherently dangerous.

    Very excellent observation. And I don't just say that because I favor what you say, I say it because it is objectively logically true. I have stated before that there is no longer a true economy , capitalism or stock market. The financial system uses huge amounts of money to securitize insurance contracts in order to collect fees. Subsequently removing working money and stagnating it to zero velocity. Everybody working but 60% of the people can't come up with $500. This might be a real tragedy if because of hurricane Irma huge numbers of ' people can't safely evacuate FL because they can't afford to save their lives.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Chet, allow me to expound on that does anyone owe you a living.

    I served 6 years in the military, when I separated, I thought at the time that being a vet, I was entitled to a job, especially since I had experience in repairing roads and bridges, I thought and felt that because of those two things, someone owed me the common courtesy of hiring me. It was a mindset. It was a false mindset, for sure.

    I had applied at the Illinois highway department IDOT, and was called for an interview 2 times, but not hired. It was probably my attitude going into interviews that didn't get me hired. I set my sights lower, I applied for a highway department worker with the Lawrence County Highway Department in southern Illinois. My application was ignored. I made numerous calls to the county highway department superintendent's office and was given the run around, I still had my bad attitude, I felt some government entity owed me a job because I had 6 years of experience.

    In the end, my mother pulled strings for me at the county administrative office, she was very good friends with the county clerk, after that call, a few days later, I was hired as a part-time temporary. I lasted 2 seasons, then after election time when another regime took over, republicans, I was not asked to come back, in fact I was told by the superintendent not to expect to be retained the following season because there was a new boss in charge of the county.

    So yes, you can say that people have the mind set that somebody owes you a living, but I have also found out it's not what you know, it's who you know in government, if you want to work for government.

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    Dockadams, your situation is interesting. Perhaps, as you noted, you had some attitude showing through during interviews. What I find interesting is that capital/management will claim they want experience yet the opposite seems too often to be the case. Education is one of the worst offenders. The more experience you have, the less likely you are to be hired or paid based upon your years of experience.

    Management speak with forked tongue.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    I read through the various comments here and will make a couple of observations. First as one who has hired several people the only thing I cared about was their ability to do the job...working for me. If I didn't try hire the best, I would potentially have a bunch of slackers who I would eventually have to fire. The same applies to many businesses and specialized government groups. If you are hiring for your organization you will have to live with whoever you hire. It's similar to choosing a spouse.

    It's when the person doing the hiring doesn't have skin in the game, that the process breaks down.

    The other point that I will make is one mentioned by Dutch on countless occasions. People who are too lazy to do their homework and learn about the candidates and how government works become prey to snake oil salesmen promising everything with no idea of how they'll be able to deliver on those promises if elected. The uneducated voter is just as bad as the non-voter. Those Trump voters in the Rust Belt and coal country states got the president they deserve. They voted with their emotions instead of their brains.

    I don't care what excuses they offer up. It just doesn't take a PhD to read up on a few issues and think about things especially if you are unemployed. Anyone in those states who voted for Trump needs to do some soul searching and quit always bitching and blaming. They need to look in the mirror when they are giving everyone the finger.

    My opinion...

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    "Anyone in those states who voted for Trump needs to do some soul searching and quit always bitching and blaming. They need to look in the mirror when they are giving everyone the finger."
    The only problem with the above statement is those people don't care about anything. Including who they vote for. They are not an interested group in anything. I'll bet that most of them don't know who Pence is. They got caught up in the initial populist appeal and were mesmerized by Trump. They will never change. The job of the Democratic Party is to come up with a candidate and campaign to tap into the disillusioned that did not vote. If 1.2 billion dollars couldn't defeat a person that in one sense or another violated every human rights and civil rights belief then there is a problem. And its not the bottom of the barrel Trump supporter. It's energizing the huge percentage that did not vote. Schmidt has used "skin in the game" before. It's now time to promise voters some skin to get them to vote. As Schmidt pointed out, it is the responsibility of management to put together the team.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Well yes I agree. But how do you select that candidate? The realist or the "promise everything" guy who cannot possibly deliver on his promises. Many of those voters cannot deal with reality. Just pray...
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Schmidt Wrote: Well yes I agree. But how do you select that candidate? The realist or the "promise everything" guy who cannot possibly deliver on his promises. Many of those voters cannot deal with reality. Just pray...

    People love "promise everything" politicians because they don't understand how complex governing is and have convinced themselves that one person and one person alone can fix all of their problems.

    That is why I thought many Bernie supporters were just as delusional as Donald voters. Far too many people have convinced themselves that the only thing they have to do is vote once every four years and then everything will fall into place. And if everything doesn't fall into place then the "system" is to blame.

    What they don't do is think about the complexities of governing over three hundred million people and that maybe - just maybe - some of those three hundred plus million people may not be ok with what they are trying to do.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Better to have loved and lost than to not have loved at all. An unfilled promise is better than a world at war.
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Better to have loved and lost than to not have loved at all. An unfilled promise is better than a world at war.

    Umm...that's bullshit.

    Talk like that is why Donald is President. Bernie or bust assholes loved him so much that they were willing to lose everything and hand the nuclear codes to a narcissistic psychopath out of pure spite.

    Bernie's unrealistic promises may very well lead us to being a world at war.

    I hope it was worth it for all you Bernie or bust idiots out there.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    lonely bird Wrote:

    Dockadams, your situation is interesting. Perhaps, as you noted, you had some attitude showing through during interviews. What I find interesting is that capital/management will claim they want experience yet the opposite seems too often to be the case. Education is one of the worst offenders. The more experience you have, the less likely you are to be hired or paid based upon your years of experience.

    Management speak with forked tongue.

    Well bird, the more experiences you can create for yourself is an asset for you. For instance, when stationed at a couple of air bases, I not only operated road graders, backhoes, heavy snow plows, street sweepers, runway airblast sweepers, an occasion bulldozer, but I was also involved in maintaining the equipment too, so, more or less, I not only had obtained experience as a motor vehicle and heavy equipment operator, with maintenance experiences, going up the ladder to some supervisory experience as well. When I enlisted, I already had some carpentry and electrical experience gained by working with my father on some projects. Back in those days, having experience in several areas helped me find jobs along the path in my life.

    It is beneficial for a person to learn or obtain skills or experience in different things, especially for a job seeker. It helps when writing a resume. And, it helps land you a job, maybe not the one you'd really want, but whatever you can do to survive, earn a living.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Removed to new thread.