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  • Center Left Democrat
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    Like many Republican-led states, Louisiana's economy is in dire straits. The projected deficit for the current fiscal year is projected to be $1.6 billion.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/06/09/1391855/-Louisiana-Republicans-beg-Norquist-to-let-them-pass-more-reasonable-budget-Norquist-says-nope?detail=email

    Since even the Republicans in Louisiana have come to the realization that they need to raise more revenue, they recently went to Grover Norquist and asked permission to raise taxes.

    He said "nope"

    As you know, Norqust, founded "Americans for Tax Reform". He also is a co-founder of an organization called the Islamic Free Market Institute. Prior to the 2012 election, 95% of the Republican members of Congress, and all but one of the 2012 Republican Presidential candidates, had signed his "no tax" pledge.

    Not surprisingly, he is active in Tea Party politics. Talking at a Florida rally he said "tea party groups should serve as the 'exoskeleton' that protects newly elected Republicans" from pressures to increase government spending.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grover_Norquist

    So here's the question:

    Why is this clown, who's never held elected office, running a large portion of our government ?

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    "Grover"............spanked the GOP in Kansas for "thinking about raising taxes. The Conservatives can sue Grover for physical abuse after being spanked.

    Kansas is one state that has severe budget issues, so the GOP thing to do is reduce Medicaid funding, Education funding and infrastructure improvements, however in no way should Kansas raise taxes because the mad Grover will come with his paddle.

    I think Grover Norquist dresses up in a blue fuzzy underwear garment and acts like someone who enjoys See-Sa-Me Street much too often. A person as evil as attacking the poor in this country has to have an outlet to feel good. Grover, you've been hanging around with that character in the trash can too much.

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    that guy in Arizona Wrote: So here's the question:

    Why is this clown, who's never held elected office, running a large portion of our government ?

    That's a damn good question. I also wish it could be easily answered, but I am not sure that it can be.

    He has a lot of name recognition in conservative circles because Saint Reagan asked him to start Americans for Tax Reform, but I really can't figure out how he wields so much power. He's like a wolf in sheep's clothing because he comes across as this nice guy who insists he wants the best for America, but in reality he is a tyrant who would rather see America devolve into chaos than have people pay their fair share of taxes.

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    A long time ago, I looked this up, but cant remember the whole answer. Where does Norquist get his power? What I recall is that he is best buddies with Bush & Cheney and that whole bunch. They have a private group (supposedly) called MFM (Morons For Money). They control the money, & give it to any morons who are stupid enough to betray their government for it. They can make repubs jump through hoops, grovel on the floor naked, salute the Russian flag, or anything that the Puppet Master demands. I am sure the Koch Brothers must be involved in this bunch. After all, they have basically controlled our elections (or financed our elections) for quite a long time now. As you know, the Kochs got all their wealth, when Daddy Koch (Fred C. Koch) went to Soviet Russia to learn all about the Russian oil business. (Now THIS PART IS SERIOUS). Fred C. Koch ran around with Joseph Stalin (Communist Russian Dictator) & learned all the basics, & then Fred C. Koch came back to America (to Wichita, KS) and began to increase his fortune. He spread out into many other industries, also.

    But THIS IS CRITICAL. In order for Stalin to have given Mr. Koch all the knowledge & expertise of the OIL business, & then allowed him to LEAVE RUSSIA & come back here to use all that knowledge to "compete" with the Russian oil business --- there had to be a mutual "agreement" --- a BIG agreement, ---- and that was --- that Koch would use every means necessary, to destroy America from within, -- using the John Birch Society --- which had existed since 1958, & was run by Robert Welch.. -- So Fred C. Koch immediately joined the John Birch Society, and GOT ON THE NATIONAL COUNCIL --- as soon as he returned home from Russia. Not only that, but 2 of Koch's sons became Birch members, also. (I hope you know by now that the Birch Society was a "subversive" organization, which was set up to masquerade as a "patriotic" organization, but was run "under cover" for years. Members had to keep their membership secret, etc. But they were expected to get actively involved in Politics, as much as possible. They had frequent meetings & were given assignments (like letter writing to Congress), .

    (I have 5 copies of the BLUE BOOK -- their membership Manual, (printed in 1958, written by Robt Welch) - it always listed their "National Council" names in it

    It also mentions that Robert Welch (JBS leader) considered John F. Kennedy to be a Communist. The Birch leader even printed that in his Blue Book, that JFK was a Communist. And there is evidence that the John Birch Society printed the "Wanted for Treason" pamphlets, that were spread all over Dallas, TX on the very day JFK was assassinated. And the anti-JFK headlines in a Dallas newspaper (that day) were also paid for by Birch operatives.

    As I said, the JBS was set up to be a "subversive" organization, in our midst, to destroy the US govt, from within. But in order to survive, it had to masquerade as a "patriotic" organization. And it did, very successfully. You might not notice anything was wrong, until they started making insane claims, such as the water was fluoridated to "poison" us, & that General Eisenhower was a "traitor". Then the lunatic fringe began to takeover, but it was shocking how many people believed all the nonsense. And within 5 years, they managed to have John F. Kennedy "murdered" in Dallas TX (Nov 22, 1963). And then, JFK's brother Bobby decided to run, to "carry on" for his dead brother ---- and Whoops! Our dear Atty General Robert F. Kennedy was ALSO murdered, by the exact same method. He also was very young, very dedicated, very patriotic & idealistic. A man with courage, with dreams, with all the beautiful things we NEED in a leader. -- SHOT DEAD.

    [[ To CLARIFY some of my stmts below: By the words "mind control" -- I was referring to "brain-washing" that went on day & night, by the Birch Society. ]]

    But if you really understand the Motive -- that the Birch Society fully intended to use its power & control over the minds of its members, to TAKE OVER THE US Government, (as soon as possible) ----- by getting the Birch Society involved in GOP politics, & takeover the "right wing" of govt --- & THEN USE THAT to take over the ENTIRE United States Govt. By using "mind control" over its members, they could use "subversive measures" to take over the propaganda used in our elections. The whole takeover would not take very long. (The JBS began in 1958, & by 1963, they killed JFK, -- & by 1968, they killed Robt Kennedy, -- & they have filled our Congress corridors with subversive crooks & saboteurs forever after). THOSE are the ones who "refuse to negotiate" -- or to "compromise" or to do anything that makes sense. They get us in Eternal Infinite Warfare, because that is how they get into International OIL, which is where the MONEY IS, and they care NOTHING at all about the deaths of American soldiers. GREED, is ALL THEY CARE ABOUT. The GOP is basically Communist, & it follows the rules of Communism. The more War, the better (to them) & if they can manage to take over other Countries & their Govts, that is A-OK with them. WHY the HELL should we be back in the same old WAR of BUSH (2003) ??? That was INSANE to begin with, & a FALSE WAR, for totally FALSE REASONS. So it stands to reason, that SANE people, would NEVER GO BACK THERE AGAIN. But apparently the GOP still maintain Control thru Bribes, BlackMail & Brain-washing.

    And the (MFM) ---- Morons for Money ---- will continue to tear apart our country -- & set up Global Catastrophe -- Forever.

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    eternal flame Wrote:

    A long time ago, I looked this up, but cant remember the whole answer. Where does Norquist get his power? What I recall is that he is best buddies with Bush & Cheney and that whole bunch. They have a private group (supposedly) called MFM (Morons For Money). They control the money, & give it to any morons who are stupid enough to betray their government for it. They can make repubs jump through hoops, grovel on the floor naked, salute the Russian flag, or anything that the Puppet Master demands. I am sure the Koch Brothers must be involved in this bunch. After all, they have basically controlled our elections (or financed our elections) for quite a long time now. As you know, the Kochs got all their wealth, when Daddy Koch (Fred C. Koch) went to Soviet Russia to learn all about the Russian oil business. (Now THIS PART IS SERIOUS). Fred C. Koch ran around with Joseph Stalin (Communist Russian Dictator) & learned all the basics, & then Fred C. Koch came back to America (to Wichita, KS) and began to increase his fortune. He spread out into many other industries, also.

    But THIS IS CRITICAL. In order for Stalin to have given Mr. Koch all the knowledge & expertise of the OIL business, & then allowed him to LEAVE RUSSIA & come back here to use all that knowledge to "compete" with the Russian oil business --- there had to be a mutual "agreement" --- a BIG agreement, ---- and that was --- that Koch would use every means necessary, to destroy America from within, -- using the John Birch Society --- which had existed since 1958, & was run by Robert Welch.. -- So Fred C. Koch immediately joined the John Birch Society, and GOT ON THE NATIONAL COUNCIL --- as soon as he returned home from Russia. Not only that, but 2 of Koch's sons became Birch members, also. (I hope you know by now that the Birch Society was a "subversive" organization, which was set up to masquerade as a "patriotic" organization, but was run "under cover" for years. Members had to keep their membership secret, etc. But they were expected to get actively involved in Politics, as much as possible. They had frequent meetings & were given assignments (like letter writing to Congress), .

    (I have 5 copies of the BLUE BOOK -- their membership Manual, (printed in 1958, written by Robt Welch) - it always listed their "National Council" names in it

    It also mentions that Robert Welch (JBS leader) considered John F. Kennedy to be a Communist. The Birch leader even printed that in his Blue Book, that JFK was a Communist. And there is evidence that the John Birch Society printed the "Wanted for Treason" pamphlets, that were spread all over Dallas, TX on the very day JFK was assassinated. And the anti-JFK headlines in a Dallas newspaper (that day) were also paid for by Birch operatives.

    As I said, the JBS was set up to be a "subversive" organization, in our midst, to destroy the US govt, from within. But in order to survive, it had to masquerade as a "patriotic" organization. And it did, very successfully. You might not notice anything was wrong, until they started making insane claims, such as the water was fluoridated to "poison" us, & that General Eisenhower was a "traitor". Then the lunatic fringe began to takeover, but it was shocking how many people believed all the nonsense. And within 5 years, they managed to have John F. Kennedy "murdered" in Dallas TX (Nov 22, 1963). And then, JFK's brother Bobby decided to run, to "carry on" for his dead brother ---- and Whoops! Our dear Atty General Robert F. Kennedy was ALSO murdered, by the exact same method. He also was very young, very dedicated, very patriotic & idealistic. A man with courage, with dreams, with all the beautiful things we NEED in a leader. -- SHOT DEAD.

    But if you really understand the Motive -- that the Birch Society fully intended to use its power & control over the minds of its members, to TAKE OVER THE US Government, (as soon as possible) ----- by getting the Birch Society involved in GOP politics, & takeover the "right wing" of govt --- & THEN USE THAT to take over the ENTIRE United States Govt. By using "mind control" over its members, they could use "subversive measures" to take over the propaganda used in our elections. The whole takeover would not take very long. (The JBS began in 1958, & by 1963, they killed JFK, -- & by 1968, they killed Robt Kennedy, -- & they have filled our Congress corridors with subversive crooks & saboteurs forever after). THOSE are the ones who "refuse to negotiate" -- or to "compromise" or to do anything that makes sense. They get us in Eternal Infinite Warfare, because that is how they get into International OIL, which is where the MONEY IS, and they care NOTHING at all about the deaths of American soldiers. GREED, is ALL THEY CARE ABOUT. The GOP is basically Communist, & it follows the rules of Communism. The more War, the better (to them) & if they can manage to take over other Countries & their Govts, that is A-OK with them. WHY the HELL should we be back in the same old WAR of BUSH (2003) ??? That was INSANE to begin with, & a FALSE WAR, for totally FALSE REASONS. So it stands to reason, that SANE people, would NEVER GO BACK THERE AGAIN. But apparently the GOP still maintain Control -- thru Bribes, or BlackMail.

    And the (MFM) ---- Morons for Money ---- will continue to tear apart our country -- & set up Global Catastrophe -- Forever. (Unless--- we Fight Back).

    Who is fighting back? Half the country is a FOX/CNN fan and totally indoctrinated even you are that by your church; so I stay negative and just follow the "clown car" show coming up. The only reasonable person is Bernie; the rest is firewood; even Hilary is part of the Washington culture so not really my choice.
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    Yeah, Dutch. Only I am not indoctrinated by my church. (ha) I have not set foot inside a church for decades. But I confess to reading the Bible a lot, & very few times watch a special program, like hearing what the new Pope has to say. He is amazingly "liberal" which makes me very happy. There is some hope for the world, now that Francis is among us. (And I am NOT even Catholic) !! But the true history of America in the last 57 years can scare anybody. And just the Weather these days is worse than a Horror Show, with catastrophes all over the world.

    Heck, with unemployment so high, some people even want to buy a rubber sword & go join ISIS. I guess you have to dress up in a black & white printed table-cloth & scream "Jihad" a few times per hour. That should not be too hard. ---- Do they have "auditions" for that?

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    eternal flame Wrote:

    Yeah, Dutch. Only I am not indoctrinated by my church. (ha) I have not set foot inside a church for decades. But I confess to reading the Bible a lot, & very few times watch a special program, like hearing what the new Pope has to say. He is amazingly "liberal" which makes me very happy. There is some hope for the world, now that Francis is among us. (And I am NOT even Catholic) !! But the true history of America in the last 57 years can scare anybody. And just the Weather these days is worse than a Horror Show, with catastrophes all over the world.

    Heck, some people even want to buy a rubber sword & go join ISIS. I guess you have to dress up in a black & white printed table-cloth & scream "Jihad" a few times per hour. That should not be too hard. ---- Do they have "auditions" for that?

    Thanks Eternal, appreciate your humor; no I only have a rubber matt in front of the door; certainly I don't shout slogans, which make no sense, like AMC does. He "blesses" everything what can shoot. Anyway ISIS is smart, you won't see them in the dark like our military, because all their badges, flags and stickers made in China do reflect in the moonlight as well the weed they smoke, which you can smell for miles.
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    Fascinating --- you should immediately write that information, about the reflective insignia on uniforms & the odor of "weed" --- to the Commander in Chief. It may get you a medal --- you never know. Why would our troops be so stupid as to do that, anyhow? Don't they know the enemy can Scratch & Sniff & See? --- I wonder what ever happened to "Military Intelligence" ? (Oh, -- I forgot -- we had Bush "W" -- for our "Imperial Wizard" -- for 8 years).
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    On MSNBC they interviewed a general, it was obvious that our government has no plan whatsoever; they just add another bunch of so called trainers, like that the first batch of 3000 plus is not doing their job; so the whole scenario is just about as bad as our schooling in this country. The box of "bandaids" is not empty yet, so we keep stubbornly pointing our bloody noses in the same direction. As long as the US interferes there, then there will be never a solution. Let these parties fight it out among themselves; the middle east is not Vietnam or Afghanistan or Korea. We should stop all our worldwide military actions; it never had any good results since WWII.
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    Hell must have just frozen over, because Sam Brownback is now in favor of raising sales and cigarette taxes in order to close at least a portion of his state's looming budget deficit. Unfortunately, too many of the folks in the legislature are still paying attention to Grover Norquist, and they rejected his pleas.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/12/us/kansas-college-funding-is-at-risk-without-tax-increase-governor-says.html?mabReward=CTM&action=click&pgtype=Homepage®ion=CColumn&module=Recommendation&src=rechp&WT.nav=RecEngine

    Kansas Democrats oppose a sales tax increase because it would hurt low and middle income families, but they ARE in favor of reversing a 2012 ruling that ended taxes for many businesses and farmers. Amazingly, Brownback said that he WOULD consider increasing those taxes again.

    The latest news from Kansas is that the state faces a $400 million deficit this year, and had to close schools early to save money.

    http://www.kansascity.com/news/government-politics/article19075317.html

    Here's a key phrase from the article above:

    Leading lawmakers in the Kansas House have said they are willing to look at options for raising taxes, even if that might mean that some conservatives have to renege on no-tax pledges.

    http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/88/20/4c/88204cce9efd91232902ad83a279b572.jpg

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    I was still looking for Facts about dear Grover Norquist --- who has so much power, without needing to be "elected." He has gotten involved in something that is called "The Burning Man" ---- which is a Festival of some kind out in the desert in Nevada. Thousands of people gather together, and they light up a giant effigy of a "man"? --- or a symbolic "man"? --- & they keep adding more fire to the effigy, & exploding gallons of gasoline (or whatever) to keep it burning for hour after hour, while they play all kinds of wild music, and roll around naked, & feel liberated. It would be OK except for the fact they allow babies & young children at that place, which can get fairly obnoxious. Every year it gets more elaborate in the exhibits of towers and art work, & the light displays. People pay a lot to go there, I once heard a "donation" of $2,000 is required, but I am not certain about that. A few people have been killed at the festivities, but much of that is hushed up.

    Feel free to see the video, you will not be seeing anything harmful. But somehow, underneath, you can wonder if there is anything satanic, (symbolic) going on.

    Anyway, Grover Norquist has really gotten involved in this Pagan-Like Festival, in recent years. (SEE LINK ------- below):

    http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File%3ABurning_Man_2011_-_the_man_burns.webm

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    There HAS to be a LAW that would prohibit any outsider (like Norquist) to be calling the shots, on our taxation. By subverting our elected Congress, to keep our nation's budget in chaos, would seem to me to be nothing less than TREASON. Of course, dear Grover has powerful friends & allies in the GOP. But I suspect we could somehow find enough rope to hang them all. (ha)
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    eternal flame Wrote: There HAS to be a LAW that would prohibit any outsider (like Norquist) to be calling the shots, on our taxation. By subverting our elected Congress, to keep our nation's budget in chaos, would seem to me to be nothing less than TREASON. Of course, dear Grover has powerful friends & allies in the GOP. But I suspect we could somehow find enough rope to hang them all. (ha)
    And you still believe this is a Democratic country? Heil Hitler
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    Gee Dutch: I don't know what to believe. As long as we have elections, we have the appearance of a Democracy. We have a whole lot of people who still do go to Vote, as if there was a democracy. We still have candidates who run, believing they may be actually voted for. But underneath the beautiful facade, there is a strange dark shape appearing in today's elections. The Big Money that "buys" our elections, the manipulations that go on, behind the scenes, and the most filthy scenario's that have been around for decades. Never Forget: When Hillary talked about the "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy" working against her husband. SHE WAS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. The GOP put 2 Clinton pals into jail, in solitary confinement, & tried to force them to admit to doing something they did not do. THIS IS ALL ILLEGAL under United States Law, But GOP do not pay any attention to simple things like the Laws. Susan & Jim McDougal were held in solitary confinement for a very long time. During that time,GOP with-held Jim McDougal's heart medication --- & he died. Yes, an innocent man was held under terrible conditions, (illegally) & tortured to death. (KILLED for a crime he did not commit). BUT the CRIMINALS were the Republicans who did this to him.

    Gee, I seem to remember that the GOP "love" to do "torture" and "murder" -- to innocent people. Remember Abu-Ghraib? Recall any "water-boardings"?? Do you remember Saddam Hussein who was murdered for no good reason? We never needed to bomb Iraq (in 2003) -- because Bush KNEW that Iraq DID NOT have any WMD (weapons of mass destruction) . And there is PROOF that Bush knew Saddam did not have any WMD. For one thing, we had United Nations Inspectors crawling all over IRAQ, day & night, going anywhere they wanted to inspect (even Saddam's personal palace). They found NOTHING. But now, we have ON TAPE (video) - an interview of Saddam Hussein talking to Dan Rather of CBS News, (approx 2 weeks before Shock & Awe), recorded in Saddam's palace --- where Saddam said "he did not have any WMD, they were all destroyed earlier" & that he wanted to have a televised Debate with our President "W" Bush, -- on satellite TV -- "so the whole world could watch & decide who was telling the Truth."

    Saddam was going to tell the world why he only wanted Peace, & Bush could explain why HE wanted war. And Saddam said that "the world could listen and decide "who was telling the Truth." ---- Well that suggestion was received by Bush like a turd in a punchbowl. Next thing you know (maybe 2 wks later) we BOMBED the Hell out of IRAQ, an innocent nation that had never threatened us, or attacked us, -- & there WERE NO "WMD" anywhere to be found.

    The real perfect VIDEO of the above conversation of Dan Rather & Saddam Hussein, seems to have "disappeared" -- I used to have it a few years ago. But I will post this one, even though it has been "edited" a little bit, --- & you will hear Saddam say there are no more weapons. Listen carefully for that.

    ----------------------------(VIDEO of Saddam Hussein) youtu.be/XM6H5qsBFfI

    WHY WE WENT TO WAR WITH IRAQ: Well the PNAC (A group of Republican Strategists) who got together to Plan how America should bomb our way thru (at least) 7 nations to steal the Oil, and any other Resources the Pentagon wanted. And so it all boils down to Greedy Republican Businessmen, -- with their sicko plans to "rule the world" -- thru superior firepower, -- & by human sacrifices of our US soldiers.

    Remember this the next time some GOP candidate, puts on his "Holier than Thou" performance, --- on how devout he is, and how he honors God, & when he is running for a Govt office, he pretends that God is "ON HIS SIDE". ( Remember how they said -- "God wants George "W" Bush to be President" ) --- spoken in one of the radical right churches, (that apparently never read the Bible) --- & you can SEE for YOURSELF how all THAT worked out.

    Phoney WARS waged for phoney WMD, and the unnecessary deaths of thousands of our young innocent soldiers, -- & ALSO of our allies, because Bush & pals ALSO LIED to the UNITED NATIONS, so many of our ALLIES sent young soldiers to die in Iraq (& other Hell Holes, too).

    A TRUE CHRISTIAN knows that JESUS is the Prince of PEACE, & therefore HE HATES WAR -- especially those who deliberately start corrupt WARS.

    ISAIAH 9: 6 -- "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given, & the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called 'Wonderful, Counselor, The Mighty God, the Everlasting Father, THE PRINCE OF PEACE." (9: 7) "Of the increase of his government and peace, there shall be no end. To establish it with judgment and with justice, from henceforth, even forever."

    Maybe now is a good time to invest in Factories that make "ASBESTOS UNDERWEAR" -- because we know a lot of corrupt GOP Politicians will surely need a whole lot of them : } ------------ JUDGMENT DAY COMETH. Happy

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    eternal flame Wrote:

    Gee Dutch: I don't know what to believe. As long as we have elections, we have the appearance of a Democracy. We have a whole lot of people who still do go to Vote, as if there was a democracy. We still have candidates who run, believing they may be actually voted for. But underneath the beautiful facade, there is a strange dark shape appearing in today's elections. The Big Money that "buys" our elections, the manipulations that go on, behind the scenes, and the most filthy scenario's that have been around for decades. Never Forget: When Hillary talked about the "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy" working against her husband. SHE WAS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. The GOP put 2 Clinton pals into jail, in solitary confinement, & tried to force them to admit to doing something they did not do. THIS IS ALL ILLEGAL under United States Law, But GOP do not pay any attention to simple things like the Laws. Susan & Jim McDougal were held in solitary confinement for a very long time. During that time, they with-held Jim McDougal's heart medication --- & he died. Yes, an innocent man was held under terrible conditions, (illegally) & basically tortured to death. And KILLED for a crime he did not commit. BUT the CRIMINALS were the Republicans who did this to him.

    Gee, I seem to remember that the GOP "love" to do "torture" and "murder" -- to innocent people. Remember Abu-Ghraib? Recall any "water-boardings"?? Do you remember Saddam Hussein who was murdered for no good reason? We never needed to bomb Iraq (in 2003) -- because Bush KNEW that Iraq DID NOT have any WMD (weapons of mass destruction) . And there is PROOF that Bush knew Saddam did not have any WMD. For one thing, we had United Nations Inspectors crawling all over IRAQ, day & night, going anywhere they wanted to inspect (even Saddam's personal palace). They found NOTHING. But now, we have ON TAPE (video) - an interview of Saddam Hussein talking to Dan Rather of CBS News, (approx 2 weeks before Shock & Awe), recorded in Saddam's palace --- where Saddam said "he did not have any WMD, they were all destroyed earlier" & that he wanted to have a televised Debate with our President "W" Bush, -- on satellite TV -- "so the whole world could watch & decide who was telling the Truth." Saddam was going to tell the world why he only wanted Peace, & Bush could explain why HE wanted war. And Saddam said that "the world could listen and decide "who was telling the Truth." ---- Well that suggestion was received by Bush like a turd in a punchbowl. Next thing you know (maybe 2 wks later) we BOMBED the Hell out of IRAQ, an innocent nation that had never threatened us, or attacked us, --- and there WERE NO "WMD" anywhere to be found. --- BUSH LIED. (What else is new?)

    The real perfect VIDEO of the above conversation of Dan Rather & Saddam Hussein, seems to have "disappeared" -- I used to have it a few years ago. But I will post this one, even though it has been "edited" a little bit, --- & you will hear Saddam say there are no more weapons. Listen carefully to hear that.

    ----------------------------(VIDEO of Saddam Hussein) youtu.be/XM6H5qsBFfI

    WHY WE WENT TO WAR WITH IRAQ: Well the PNAC (A group of Republican Strategists) who got together to Plan how America should bomb our way thru (at least) 7 nations to steal the Oil, and any other Resources the Pentagon wanted. And so it all boils down to Greedy Republican Businessmen, -- with their sicko plans to "rule the world" -- thru superior firepower, -- & by human sacrifices of our US soldiers.

    Remember this the next time some GOP candidate, puts on his "Holier than Thou" performance, --- on how devout he is, and how he honors God, & when he is running for a Govt office, he pretends that God is "ON HIS SIDE". ( Remember how they said -- "God wants George "W" Bush to be President" ) --- spoken in one of the radical right churches, (that apparently never read the Bible) --- & you can SEE for YOURSELF how all THAT worked out. Phoney WARS waged for phoney WMD, and the unnecessary deaths of thousands of our young innocent soldiers, & ALSO of our allies, because Bush & pals ALSO LIED to the UNITED NATIONS, so many of our ALLIES sent young soldiers to die in Iraq (& other Hell Holes, too). A TRUE CHRISTIAN knows that JESUS is the Prince of PEACE, & therefore HE HATES WAR, -- & JESUS especially hates Morons who start corrupt unnecessary WARS for GREED & PROFIT. /// I think this may be a good time to invest in factories that make "ASBESTOS UNDERWEAR" -- because a lot of corrupt Politicians will sure need them. JUDGMENT DAY COMETH.

    Eternal; great story. I think a lot of people have no clue what the US is doing in the world; there are things going on which will totally ruin the US. The dollar will collapse eventually; due to the Fatca law plenty of countries will no longer want to use the dollar as a standard but turn to other currencies. The penalties imposed on Swiss banks and others will affect world trade as well; the US will become more and more isolated also due to our meddling, which will no longer be tolerated around the world. By the way "asbestos" is banned.