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Mass Stabbing At Pennsylvania School

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  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    More importantly he is being charged as an adult, with harsher penalties for his actions.
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    Dutch Wrote: Looking at all the "threads" related to "guns" in school and the so called solutions, like having armed guards in school or teachers having guns; this happening points to the most easy way to solve these disasters.
    Simple install metal detectors at the schools entry; every one who attends should go through it; my guess is this is cheaper than employing guards.
    Neither does the teachers have to be armed. A one time expense only. Problem solved.
    It sounds easy, but unfortunately doesn't work. I went to a alternative school that gradually became more and more dangerous. Overtime we ended up with medal detectors and each entry, 2 stationed police officers, drug dogs, cameras, and airport searches (remove shoes and search backpack before entering in the morning). They would even CHAIN the main and rear doors from the inside of the school during attending hours (from 8 to 3:30). Yet still we were in lockdown several times a month due to stabbings and shootings, mostly gang related. And the school was still flooded with drugs. There is no simple solution to the problem. No party is more right than the other. No tightening of ammo, knives, baseball bats, hockey sticks, or bazookas will solve this.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    ClayTaylorNC Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote: Looking at all the "threads" related to "guns" in school and the so called solutions, like having armed guards in school or teachers having guns; this happening points to the most easy way to solve these disasters.
    Simple install metal detectors at the schools entry; every one who attends should go through it; my guess is this is cheaper than employing guards.
    Neither does the teachers have to be armed. A one time expense only. Problem solved.
    It sounds easy, but unfortunately doesn't work. I went to a alternative school that gradually became more and more dangerous. Overtime we ended up with medal detectors and each entry, 2 stationed police officers, drug dogs, cameras, and airport searches (remove shoes and search backpack before entering in the morning). They would even CHAIN the main and rear doors from the inside of the school during attending hours (from 8 to 3:30). Yet still we were in lockdown several times a month due to stabbings and shootings, mostly gang related. And the school was still flooded with drugs. There is no simple solution to the problem. No party is more right than the other. No tightening of ammo, knives, baseball bats, hockey sticks, or bazookas will solve this.
    In other words what you are saying airports are not secure either? Sorry, how did they ( the gangs etc.) get these things past security? Via the roof?
    If your statement is true then we may as well close that particular school because if their only intend is to disturbe the teaching process etc. then I guess these kids do not want to learn to become a decent hard working citizen but are only willing to end up on foodstamps or in the military as cannon fodder.
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    Dutch Wrote:
    ClayTaylorNC Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote: Looking at all the "threads" related to "guns" in school and the so called solutions, like having armed guards in school or teachers having guns; this happening points to the most easy way to solve these disasters.
    Simple install metal detectors at the schools entry; every one who attends should go through it; my guess is this is cheaper than employing guards.
    Neither does the teachers have to be armed. A one time expense only. Problem solved.
    It sounds easy, but unfortunately doesn't work. I went to a alternative school that gradually became more and more dangerous. Overtime we ended up with medal detectors and each entry, 2 stationed police officers, drug dogs, cameras, and airport searches (remove shoes and search backpack before entering in the morning). They would even CHAIN the main and rear doors from the inside of the school during attending hours (from 8 to 3:30). Yet still we were in lockdown several times a month due to stabbings and shootings, mostly gang related. And the school was still flooded with drugs. There is no simple solution to the problem. No party is more right than the other. No tightening of ammo, knives, baseball bats, hockey sticks, or bazookas will solve this.
    In other words what you are saying airports are not secure either? Sorry, how did they ( the gangs etc.) get these things past security? Via the roof?
    If your statement is true then we may as well close that particular school because if their only intend is to disturbe the teaching process etc. then I guess these kids do not want to learn to become a decent hard working citizen but are only willing to end up on foodstamps or in the military as cannon fodder.
    Please read what I have wrote in the context it is written. If you honestly got that I am saying that airports are not secure in what I wrote... there need be no conversation. There is no "in other words" in anything I write.

    And yes, unfortunately it is true. Its an alternative school, there are hundreds of schools like this across america. Pretty much every large city has 1-5 of them. Not all of them are as bad as that one I would hope, but most have a reputation for being very tough. And there is always ways to get things in places that are not allowed. The officers had rotations in which they would change locations at a certain time every day, during that rotation, climb through an unlocked window (which you unlocked the day before in an abandoned class room) and leave the class to join the rest without being seen. Very easy. That is one very un-thought out process that was used alot. There are many many other ways as well, but none worth talking about. Closing of these schools is not an option. When students get to a point when public schools cannot/ or will not accept them any more, due to there actions, they are sent to an alternative school in the area. Or if they drop out and get behind (you can move very very fast at this school, or very slow) they go here to catch up and graduate early. Young mothers needing special attention or daycare the school provided for free. The program helps a lot of students looking for an alternative, and some with none. The main problem is, if you take a school and mostly fill it with problem students, or in this case gang related problem students, then you get what resembles a jail. And can become very unstable as this one did. That is why I left and chose another path.
  • Democrat
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    I wonder if Wayne Lapierre is out there thinking the only answer to a bad guy with a knife if a good guy with a knife. Sorry. Dark humor.
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    That is one answer to consider, it most certainly would given him given pause before continuing on his rampage, maybe allowing more kids to escape. We will never know??
  • Democrat
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    The only response Wayne Lapierre (NRA) would provide is, "You bring a gun to a knife fight". Lapierre is all about guns and more the merrier to keep the NRA funded and a strong advocate for the Gun Industry. No, knives are for people who have to work for their kill. Guns, just point and shoot.

    Whoever, that was that brought up ole Lapierre's name is doing this blog a service. Lapierre has been in our spotlight for his pushing guns like ice cream from a truck. I wonder what this maniac is doing today?
  • Democrat
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    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote: The only response Wayne Lapierre (NRA) would provide is, "You bring a gun to a knife fight". Lapierre is all about guns and more the merrier to keep the NRA funded and a strong advocate for the Gun Industry. No, knives are for people who have to work for their kill. Guns, just point and shoot.

    Whoever, that was that brought up ole Lapierre's name is doing this blog a service. Lapierre has been in our spotlight for his pushing guns like ice cream from a truck. I wonder what this maniac is doing today




    Probably the same thing as yesterday and the day before that, and that is protecting your 2nd Amendment Rights from the gun hating crowd.
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    JC,
    Not all who want gun control hate guns. I don't hate guns. Many gun owners are scared of having guns taken away. I sure don't see that happening. What I would like to see is machine gun type guns, Assault Riffles being eliminated. Also massive clips. The shooter in the Aurora Colorado theater shooting had a 100 round clip. No need to reload. All that's good for is assisting in mass murder. If you have a burglar, do you need 100 rounds ? Maybe if your house was attacked by an NFL Football team, you might need 100 rounds. We're not trying to get rid of most guns. Just the extremes.
  • Democrat
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    TJ Wrote: JC,
    Not all who want gun control hate guns. I don't hate guns. Many gun owners are scared of having guns taken away. I sure don't see that happening. What I would like to see is machine gun type guns, Assault Riffles being eliminated. Also massive clips. The shooter in the Aurora Colorado theater shooting had a 100 round clip. No need to reload. All that's good for is assisting in mass murder. If you have a burglar, do you need 100 rounds ? Maybe if your house was attacked by an NFL Football team, you might need 100 rounds. We're not trying to get rid of most guns. Just the extremes.
    Tony, as I stated in previous threads regarding gun discussions, any rifle used in a assaultive manner is considered an assault weapon, the M-1 Garand, an absolute mainstay of the military used during three wars including numerous other conflicts used only an 8 round clip and when the combined Armed forces stormed Europe's shores to free the citizens, this rifle was considered an assault rifle, especially if you had the bayonet attached, in my heyday with this rifle ,I could load and fire three or more clips inside of 30 seconds and have the rounds on target downrange, that would be total of 24 rounds, not a massive clip mind you, the problem for must people is that they consider the weapon the cause of the carnage and not the shooter, the ability to load and re-load magazines many rounds of ammunition is based on the shooters knowledge with the weapon, and most if not all of these mass killers have been trained in the use of the weapon are very knowledgeble about the functions of the weapon, you will also note that many of these killers were found to have multiple weapons in their possession, so having massive clips is not really a factor. I also realize that not all gun-control advocates are gun-haters.